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CASEPOWER

08-19-2005 18:26:54




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Old Power Pride Magazine would be interested in sponsoring an engine build off. I don't think a "One brand only" approach will work. Maybe horsepower per cubic inch. Top three engines must be torn down and inspected. Stock cubes only, any cam grind, any valve size, and many other rules. All must dyno on the same dyno. $100 a head per entry, all money being split between top three. Anyone interested?? I can get the ball rolling!!

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G/MAN

08-22-2005 07:37:43




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER , 08-19-2005 18:26:54  
Instead of horsepower per cubic inch, why not a measurement that puts all the engines on an even playing field - horsepower hours per gallon of fuel.



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jd b puller

08-22-2005 15:06:30




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to G/MAN, 08-22-2005 07:37:43  
How about just hooking them to the sled and see who can put it to the ground? Give everyone 2 hooks so they can"t complain about having their weights wrong.



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G/MAN

08-22-2005 15:38:05




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to jd b puller, 08-22-2005 15:06:30  
That was my idea with my proposed contest, but apparently on-track performance can't compare to big horsepower numbers in terms of "wow" factor.



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Earl G

08-21-2005 18:47:17




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER , 08-19-2005 18:26:54  
the problem with hp per cubic in is the slower running tractors will not be able to compete fairly, as they don't make as much power per cu in, take a John Deere A with 321 cu in you can only expect to get at best .15 per cu in in horsepower at 975 rpm, but take a international 660 and you can get 80 pto horsepwer from the factory with a displacement of 281 cu in, but it runs 2400 rpm, how will you plan to compensate for that in your build off?

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CASEPOWER

08-21-2005 20:26:13




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to Earl G, 08-21-2005 18:47:17  
First, I doubt anyone would use a 2 cyl. for this contest. Second, There's not that many 660's out there and I doubt half that are pulling would meet the year specs in the clubs they are pulling at. Third, I really wanted to see if anyone was serious about building an engine or just recliner pulling. This is still antique pulling and it takes a little skill or a lot of luck to get the maximum potential from an old tractor. My best advice would be to put in $100 and bring a 660. I think a 3-53 Detroit might have a big advantage. Seriously, if the rules could be made on a level playing ground, I doubt 3 people would be willing to try, but it would be fun!!

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ChadS

08-20-2005 13:38:02




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER , 08-19-2005 18:26:54  
How bout for a Farmall H instead. you guys did the M, I ll do an H if you want. Case, I did not write that crap on pulloff, some crackhead did, and cant do it here,,, I did not put barenie up tothis challenge, but Ill do it with what I have, and thats a Farmall H, Name,, Something Wilder. My dyno, cause no one that dont know how to dyno thes engines will not blow mine up cause they cant run it. I bet your magazine would love to have my H in there. All I have in the shop is my H, and that is my main engine focus these days. ChadS

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CASEPOWER

08-20-2005 07:55:12




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER , 08-19-2005 18:26:54  
I knew I would scare a few, but I didn't think I would scare everyone.



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Flogger

08-20-2005 10:25:04




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-20-2005 07:55:12  
Casepower you gotta admit that asking most of us pullers what we have under the hood, and asking us to tear it down is a little like asking a lady her age and then how much she weighs. The tractor puller will however be a little more polite about it in most cases.



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CASEPOWER

08-20-2005 10:47:36




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to Flogger, 08-20-2005 10:25:04  
I figured with all these professional engine builders there are on this board that they would jump at the test. I even put the stock cubes rule in, so the price would stay low. That brings the contest to cam design, porting, valves, carburetor, ignition, compression, and making it all work together. All we would have to do is pull the pan to check bore and stroke. I will be the first to sign up and put $100 in the pot. With some of the claims that I have seen made, I couldn't come close to winning!

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G/MAN

08-22-2005 10:49:42




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-20-2005 10:47:36  
I'd say you're going to have to come up with a pretty big chunk of money for anybody to get serious. Those engine buildoffs they have in the automotive mags usually pay BIG $$$. Would the engine be installed in a tractor, or dynoed directly? Where would the contest take place? With gas and diesel prices, $500 prize money wouldn't even get most competitors hauling a tractor to the contest and back home again, and it would cost about that to ship just an engine. Why limit the bore and stroke to stock, and leave everything else wide open? A maximum cubic-inch limit would make more sense. If a guy was working with a parent-bore engine, how long would he have to look to find a block with a stock bore?

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CASEPOWER

08-22-2005 12:45:12




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to G/MAN, 08-22-2005 10:49:42  
Cubic inch limit? That would be kind of hard to do when comparing a farmall B to an M. Why don't you just pitch in your $100 and build an engine?



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G/MAN

08-22-2005 13:35:32




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-22-2005 12:45:12  
Like I said, $100 a piece from 10 builders is chump change, and not worth the time. Look at something like the Engine Builders Challenge they have. Winner takes home $70,000 or more. Besides, I'm just a dumb old Deere mechanicker out here in the non-performance wasteland of Nebraska, and I could never hope to wrench alongside the likes of you. And I ain't seen an engine yet pull a sled without a tractor attached.

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CASEPOWER

08-22-2005 13:43:39




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to G/MAN, 08-22-2005 13:35:32  
All talk and no action, thats you!!! Whats wrong, afraid to come back to the BB?? You scared of your stalker??



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G/MAN

08-22-2005 15:42:32




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-22-2005 13:43:39  
Afraid to come back to the BB? Yeah, that's it. Actually, I haven't been near a computer all weekend, until today, and I've been tending to some other online "business" what little I've been on here today. For some reason, I find better things to do on most weekends than play on there. But don't worry, I'll be back. Got a question to ask on there right now, as a matter of fact. Speaking of all talk and no action, I don't think you've yet clarified if you're going to play in this little contest you're proposing. Gonna taylor those rules to fit something that's already built???

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buckmaster 700

08-20-2005 21:23:19




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-20-2005 10:47:36  
how about a diesel in the ring



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CASEPOWER

08-21-2005 06:27:27




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to buckmaster 700, 08-20-2005 21:23:19  
Non turbo, I wouldn't see why not.



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G/MAN

08-22-2005 16:18:27




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-21-2005 06:27:27  
Put me down for a 3-53 Detroit then, if it's horsepower per cubic inch.



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AC

08-20-2005 19:44:42




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-20-2005 10:47:36  
What would determine the winner? Max percentage of HP over stock? Example, a Farmall M making 35% more power over stock would win over a Moline making 32% more? Sounds intriguing..



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CASEPOWER

08-21-2005 06:26:35




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to AC, 08-20-2005 19:44:42  
The most horsepower made per cubic inch.



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AC

08-21-2005 06:42:24




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-21-2005 06:26:35  
So, almost any brand has a chance...verrry interesting..and it costs $100 to enter? How do we all get together and test it in the dyno? I think this is a GREAT idea!



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CASEPOWER

08-21-2005 08:21:33




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to AC, 08-21-2005 06:42:24  
If we could get enough people serious, I could set a date, make the rules, and get the ball rolling. I am in NC, but Tennessee sounds like a good place to do it, as it should be a a Central location for most everyone. The reason I said stock cubes was to keep the test affordable. It would come down to who can design the most efficient top end and components. Anyone that is interested needs to get serious and e-mail me at oldpowerpride@earthlink.net

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G/MAN

08-22-2005 10:50:47




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-21-2005 08:21:33  
If you're "making" the rules, are you also going to participate???



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CASEPOWER

08-22-2005 12:49:54




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to G/MAN, 08-22-2005 10:50:47  
You make the rules, keep the price down, get the builders in, and I will still enter. You don't even pull, but just can't seem to keep from sticking your nose in. If we could make the rules fair, you wouldn't try anyway, so what is the point in interfering?



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G/MAN

08-22-2005 15:43:27




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 Re: Engine build off in reply to CASEPOWER, 08-22-2005 12:49:54  
I don't pull? Huh, I could have swore I made three hooks this weekend. Brought home two trophies. Where did you pull over the weekend???



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