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DOES IT MATTER

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900DAVE

08-24-2005 09:26:35




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IWAS THINKING ABOUT PUTTING A PULLING HITCH ON MY 900 AND MOUNT IT TO THE FOUR HOLES ON THE BOTTOM OF THE REAR HOUSING WEAR THE DRAWBAR SEMICIRCLE HOOKS TO . I WAS TOLD ITS BETTER TO PULL FROM THE DRAWBAR BECAUSE YOUR PULLING FROM THE MIDDLE OF THE TRACTOR. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK.

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DAVE




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John T

08-24-2005 12:41:38




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 Re: DOES IT MATTER in reply to 900DAVE, 08-24-2005 09:26:35  
Dave, Although Im an electrical instead of a mechanical engineer and used to do a lil antique pulling, I do rememeber some of this basic stuff from a few mechanical courses back in the good ol Purdue days lol.

I consider the axle as the center point of this vector force analysis and discussion as thats where all the twisting torque forces are generated and which a puller wants transferred into pulling the load forward. As the hitch point is elevated (greater angle between sled and hitch) the weight of the sled obviously tends to provide more downward force which can improve traction, while as the hitch is lowered, the sled dont pull down as much on the rears and one spins out grrrrr rrrrr

I guess I agree that provided any frame and support members are rigid what really matters is the distances and locations relative to the center of the drive axle. If the hitch point were way up front, that would be exerting force down on the front steering tires and off the rear traction tires where you want the load pulling downwards to increase traction.

As we all know, the ideal weight distribution and hitch placement is where the front axle barely floats off the ground thus transferring max weight for traction on the rears but not allowing the front to rise too much which lowers the hitch point.

Nowwwww just where is that lol and it depends on so many variables like track conditions and tire bite and torque ????? ???? Im waiting for an engineer to design a variable front/back high/low weight and transfer mechanism which senses loads and torques and elevations to make that variable weight move up n down n back n forth to maximize traction. Wooooo Hooooo oo how long before that guy would be banned?????

John T Only a puller wannabe

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Drew

08-24-2005 10:22:02




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 Re: DOES IT MATTER in reply to 900DAVE, 08-24-2005 09:26:35  
As long as your hitch is rigid and can not move, and the hook point is the same distance from the ground/rear axle with both setups, then it makes absolutly no difference where the hitch is attached to the tractor. Think of the hitch as a lever, and the rear axle is the pivot point. You can have your drawbar hook to the front axle if you really wanted, and as long as it didnt flex (which would be impossble w/ it that long), it would work exactly the same as if it were fastened to the tractor in the rear.

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Jim in OH

08-24-2005 11:45:39




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 Re: DOES IT MATTER.. That being said... in reply to Drew, 08-24-2005 10:22:02  
Of course that is technically correct, but that being said, there are still pulling clubs that limit where you can attach a hitch. Some want it stock, some just want it "stock looking" with location limits, some don't want an attachment point above the axel (a crazy, don't-understand-physics rule), some have min and max thicknesses, etc. I suggest that you check with the club rules where you want to pull.. If you can attach it to the closest and strongest solid point from the pull, you are less likely to break.... (and there probably isn't a tractor out there that hasn't already found the dos and donts for any particular model.... Find someone with your tractor...) Good luck.. Jim

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Drew

08-24-2005 15:40:38




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 Re: DOES IT MATTER.. That being said... in reply to Jim in OH, 08-24-2005 11:45:39  
The rules about not being attached above the rear axle is for safety. In a perfect world, it would not matter if it were attached up there or not; BUT, we live in reality. In reality, some people can weld better than others. If a hitch that is attached above the rear axle breaks BELOW the rear axle, it then is no longer rigid and it will pull out and up into a straight line to where it is attached ABOVE the axle. This gets real ugly in a hurry. Seeing this happen and seeing a tractor come over backwards on a guy is one of the scariest things I have ever seen.

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