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300 vs. 350 block and head

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redcub

09-22-2005 19:32:55




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Is the 300 and 350 block basicly the same (not asking stock bore)--I mean, is there essentially the same meat when it comes to boring? What is the difference in the 300 and the 350 head? Is casting #361479r the same for both? Is the combustion chamber the same as 8043D?




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ChadS

09-23-2005 09:20:10




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 Re: 300 vs. 350 block and head in reply to redcub, 09-22-2005 19:32:55  
The 300-350 blocks are the same casting, difference was the sleeve thickness, 300 stock was a 3-9/16 bore sleeve, the 350 was a 3-5/8 bore, same OD barrel specs for both, just one was a thick wall sleeve, and the other was a thin wall sleeve. Just like taking a M from 3-7/8 to 4 inch bore,, just change the sleeve. The heads were identical castings, just updated part numbers for the newer 350. No, not the same as the 8043D, but the same as the 8043DD, which was found mostly on late Super H's stock. The 8043DD casting, was the same casting as the new style heads, just still used the old 4 digit casting codes used in the H-SH. The 169-175 block can be bored the same specs as far as bigger bores, but if you keep it in the block,, and not use a aftermarket sleeve, keep it to no bigger than 3-13/16, yes, there will be a slight flange ring left over at the top of the block,,, but a 175 head gasket will seal it, or have the rings made to fill in the casting. H blocks,,,,, 3-13/16 bore will not have a flange left over,,, but you better have it checked before going out that far,, they rust from the water jacket in,, and will find pits that have soaked through. Takes a good H block to go that big,, best to use the later block, and have a little more metal left to hold it better. Hope this helps,,, Just glad its not orange!!! LOL! Chad

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Redcub

09-24-2005 14:17:50




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 Re: 300 vs. 350 block and head in reply to ChadS, 09-23-2005 09:20:10  
Thanks for the info. Chad, why don't you see 300s or 350s pulling very often? Is there a disadvantage to keeping this block in the original chassi? What can you get a 300 down to in weight with stock wheels? I would like to keep my H farmstock so that my 7 year old can start pulling it next year....and I'm looking at a 300 to build (it is running @ $1500.00). I still have the 706 pistons laying in the box...thinking about the future. I would like to start out in division 2 and go up against M's and A's and the like. Any thoughts??? Thanks, Thomas

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FarmerSid

09-23-2005 04:52:50




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 Re: 300 vs. 350 block and head in reply to redcub, 09-22-2005 19:32:55  
I may not be able to answer all your questions but I have both a 300 (C169) and a 350 (C175) engine that I got to put in my H. Both heads have the 361479R1 part # stamped on them. I know your not asking what the stock bore without sleeves is but knowing that will answer how much meat you have when it comes to boring. They are the same bore without sleeves. The 350 just had thinner sleeves. I'm about 99% sure that the C175 block is just a newer version of the C169. Just used the same block in a newer version of the same tractor with a few more cubes by using thinner sleeves.

I put a 350 kit in a C169 block which went in my '51 H. As for the differences between the 361479R1 and the 8043D, do a search and you will find what ChadS has posted or maybe he will jump in here and explain it for ya. Hope I helped ya a bit.

Cheers!

Sid

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