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Charging Pullers for Admission

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huntingreen

10-09-2005 13:45:46




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A question for tractor pullers. Do the antique tractor and engine shows you go to to pull charge you and your family admission to enter the grounds. I know you pay a hook fee but I was told by a sled owner thay most places charge the pullers admission to the show or pulls and I have not seen this happening myself. Thanks for your input.




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joecool

10-10-2005 16:57:19




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
we used to go to a pull in Liberty, GA and they wanted to charge all pullers no matter how far you came or how many tractors you brought. we dont attend there any more.

all the pulls we, southern antique iron association, is participating in require no charge to pullers or show tractors. we even got the last folks to do away with admission all together and had firemen walk around asking for donations and they got more than usual from charging gate fee.

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Scotmac

10-10-2005 05:38:23




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
They try to charge at the Iowa State Fair. When I hit the gate , I ask them who the entertainment was the night before. When they reply Reba or Alabama, I ask them if they paid to get in? The usual reply is no, and then I tell them we're tonights entertainment and drive on in!



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colekicker

10-09-2005 21:44:22




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
Well, where I am in Texas, if you come to my hometown show, the exhibitor (puller or shower) gets in free and one guest pass. This allows for the husband and wife. Kids under 12 are free at the festival. So, most people that come and have more than one exhibit will register them under different names to get everyone in free. I don"t mind that at all. With fuel prices the way they are, you have to give something to the people that make the show. We also give a little chilli dog social the Friday night of the festival. Heck, the festival gives each exhibitor a $5 meal ticket to use at the food vendors. I don"t see how you can"t break even though. If you bust hump and get sponsors, you can make it easily. We have sled rental, scale rental and trophies that the sponsors take care of. It just takes a little bit more work before the festival to make things happen.

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Rob Mo.

10-09-2005 21:15:24




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
Whether it's show or pulling, don't charge the people who are loading it on the trailer every week, to make some club some money. I can't say that I show at all, but I show up for the hooks. If you took the time out of your day to bring a tractor to the destination, why charge to cover everything, it just don't make sense. Look at it this away, if we show guys or puller didn't do what we do when we go to these event, where would the history of farm Machinery be? How would we educate the newer generations on how we used to harvest the crops & show them how simple they used to be in the good old days (I'm not nocking todays technology)?

Around here in east central Missouri, all the pulls I've been to, whether show or pull, you get in free. We goto these places to put on a show & draw crowds, to make clubs money. If it a fair they charge spectators, not the pullers or the show guys. We are the reason that the crowds are there & we all know it.

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Dale in Ar.

10-09-2005 18:35:06




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
I don't think that those who pull or show should pay a gate fee or attendance fee.On the other hand I do feel that if a person wants to pull they ought to show their tractors at least for one day.I have been to a couple shows close to me and I saw puller unload about an hour before the pull.Their only reason for being there was to pull and maybe get a trophy.They had good looking tractors and would have added some interest for those who do pay to come and look. At the last show ,there was more pulling tractors that came in just before the pull than there were in the show.So I can see why some shows charge a gate fee for all who attend.Fellows if we pull at these shows,we ought to show the clubs that we appreciate them for putting on the show by being part of the show as well as pulling.Yes,I show my tractor as well as pull(usually come in last or close to last but I enjoy the pull and the show).

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CKAP Puller

10-09-2005 16:38:43




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
I agree--if you are putting on the show--why should you pay. CKAP does not charge at our home track, nor do we charge "membership" fees...it is a different story at fair pulls--I hate it but can't seem to get it to go any other way. Maybe we should all take a stand and not put on a show unless they agree--1 puller per tractor gets in free!!!



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JOHN LAMPKIN--USAP

10-10-2005 10:12:04




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to CKAP Puller, 10-09-2005 16:38:43  
WHATS BAD TRACY IS THE FAIR GETS MONEY FROM THE STATES TO PUT THE EVENTS ON BUT THEY LIKE TO MAKE EXTRA IF THEY CAN GET YOU TO PAY. I BELIEVE THAT ANTIQUE PULLING SEEMS TO BE THE UNDERDOG BECAUSE WE CAN'T GET THE SMOKE TO COVER THE SKY AND THE NOISE TO USE EARPLUGS--EXTRA MONEY TO BUY CHROME WHEELS. BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE NUMBERS WE DRAW MORE TRACOTRS AND LESS PEOPLE IN THE STANDS. SO I WENT TO A BIG BOYS PULL AND THEY HAD 20 HOOKS TOTAL 600 FANS. NEXT NIGHT WE HAD 131 HOOKS AND 60 FANS SO I QUESS WE ARE THE UNDER DOGS BUT I BET WE HAVE MORE FUN AND LESS PROBLEMS THAN THEY THE BIG BOYS EVER HAVE NO MATTER WHERE THEY GO!!BUT NOONE SHOWING OR PULLING SHOULD EVER HAVE TO PAY. MY THOUGHTS ARE THAT THE PULLER AND 2 PEOPLE SHOULD GET IN FREE JUST FOR HELP TO PACK WEIGHTS AND CHAIN DOWN OR JUST WORK. MY 2 CENTS WORTH BUT I HAVE AHD NY DISCUSSIONS WITH FAIR BOARD WITH THIS PROBLEM BEFORE. I NEVER CHARGE AT PRINCETON OR ANYWHERE UNLESS THE FAIR GROUNDS DEMAND IT BUT I WON'T DO IT MYSELF. THANKS JOHN

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Jeff Oliver

10-09-2005 19:55:59




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to CKAP Puller, 10-09-2005 16:38:43  
That's what we did. It was at a fair and we had never paid to get in before. we were told that it was because we uaually had it on a Saturday morning and all of the workers there were worn out and didn't enforce it alot. This last pull was during the week and it was different. Now, we carried two tractors that me and my son pull. We didn't pay but I did think it was right for his GF to pay as they were going to the fair afterwards.

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Spotter

10-09-2005 16:14:13




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 No Admission at Tunica in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
There's no admission at Tunica for pullers or spectators. Sometimes the Boy Scouts set up and take donations but that's it. Ya'll load up and come pull with us...Spotter



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lumpy

10-09-2005 15:48:11




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
It doesn't seem to matter if it is the antiques, all the way up to the N.T.P.A. prostock diesel class. ( we run the N.T.P.A. super farm diesel class ). You get charged for every thing. We get charged association fee's, admission at the gate, and hook fee at every pull. THATS BULL!! Think about it WE as the competitors bring the show. We should be able to bring in tow vehicle, plus a support vehicle, with up to 4 people as the "pit crew". At the N.T.P.A. shows anyone that comes with that tractor, truck, etc. gets charged $15.00 each. At evey event. To hook, is a min. of $50.00. If the general public admission at the gate doesn't cover the sled, insurance, what ever, there shouldn't be a pull.

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pdi man

10-09-2005 17:16:28




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to lumpy, 10-09-2005 15:48:11  
the atpa-ecs allows the puller and one crewmember in free at most events. some fairs require all to pay. not sure about the antique crowd here in md.



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Lamont

10-09-2005 15:41:32




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
I wonder if they would pay to work the gate? Probably not, and they would think it was rediculous to ask them to. Tractor pullers should get 1 free pass per tractor in my opinion. Heck, why not charge the flag workers, the sled operator, the pull-back tractor driver, the track worker, ... Let's get 'em all !!!!!



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Drew

10-09-2005 14:50:10




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
If you have not ever been charged to get in, you are lucky.

I think charging the pullers admission is a crock of $#it. Us pullers are putting on the show, so why should we pay them twice (gate and hook $$). And the "help to cover costs" arguement is crap because you can go to a pull the next weekend with the same sled (same expenses) and they dont charge. And if you want to hear something that is really a load of crap.....a couple weeks ago my dad and I attended a pull and was charged $5 a wack to get in the gate when a fellow competitor said when he came in the gate if he would have said he had "show tractors" instead of "pulling tractors" he would have got in for free. So because my tractor doesnt look stock, I have to pay, but if my tractor looked stock, it could have been a "show tractor" and got in for free. Why the double standard?

I hope this gets some promoter's attention that charging the people in your show to get in to put on your show isnt cool. I know there are some people that are going to say "just dont go then" If it isnt for points, I simply dont. Maybe when they only have 15 tractors show up they will figure it out.

You dont have to necessarly let the whole truck load in, but let the people driving the tractors that are putting on the show in.

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champspa

10-09-2005 14:27:27




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
some vol fire depts charge when they sponsor a pull.they don't get much addendance after first time.



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Jeff Oliver

10-09-2005 14:07:35




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
Had one try one time. We told them if they wanted a pull it would be best not to and that ended it. Most places we go don't here in West Tn. Can't see no reason to pay for fuel and hook fees and then have to pay again to put their show on.



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RDD

10-09-2005 13:47:43




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to huntingreen, 10-09-2005 13:45:46  
YES



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here too

10-09-2005 14:08:16




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to RDD, 10-09-2005 13:47:43  
THEY started that this year on admission for the pullers. Makes you think twice about working the pull because you are a spectator just like the folks in the stands



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Gmitch

10-09-2005 15:36:50




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to here too, 10-09-2005 14:08:16  
A couple of wknds ago a pal and I loaded one of his and one of mine on the trailer and went to Eldon, MO. to a pull. I try to go there every year because I like the guys and they have good pulls. I knew we were going to use the 45 gallons of gas,$140 more or less. I also knew we would stop for grub somewhere on the way home, another $25. The hooks were a little too high, $15 per, 3 for him, 3 for me, $90. The $5+$5=$10 that they robbed from us just to get in to help give them a show was about the last straw for us both. I quit pulling "hot tractors" a long time ago because it had become a rich kids game. That $5 "poke in the rump" is setting me in that direction again.

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Drew

10-09-2005 15:42:13




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to Gmitch, 10-09-2005 15:36:50  
That would be the pull I was refering to about letting show tractors in for free and charging pullers.



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Jerry Cent. Mi.

10-09-2005 17:00:05




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to Drew, 10-09-2005 15:42:13  
Tractor pulling just doesn't seem to draw a crowd. Someone has to cover the costs. Our club only offers trophys and we charge $10.00 a hook. If we didn't get sponsors to pay for the trophys we would not make ends meet after the insurance is paid.



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Lamont

10-09-2005 18:15:48




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to Jerry Cent. Mi., 10-09-2005 17:00:05  
Sounds like need more sponsors, or you've got some pretty crappy sponsors if all they pay for is the trophies. If not that, you must have some darn nice trophies !!!!! $20 per class would easily cover trophies at most of the pulls I've been to in the last 25 years. Do you give trophies for the top 3 per class?



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Patches

10-10-2005 06:16:59




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to Lamont, 10-09-2005 18:15:48  
Here is what we pay per pull: $300.00 sled fee, $345.00 insurance (which covers everyone on the grounds)$378.00 trophies, total $1,023.00. Divide this by the $8.00 per hook fee we charge and we need a minimum of 128.87 hooks per event. As we hold our pulls at our own pulling grounds we also have the expense of track rent, electricity and grounds maintenance. The ground maintenance includes everything from new clay, to grading and leveling, and watering the track to mowing and trash removal from the grounds. We tried charging a $2.00 admission for non-pullers last year but it went over like a lead balloon and we stopped it. I was wondering how many of you have your own tracks or do you travel from place to place to do your pulls and someone else is responsible for track maintenance. Granted, we have improvised ways to water the track (buying our own pump and water tank) but it still costs for purchasing new clay, grading and watering. Not to mention the cost of the pull back and blade tractors. Any ideas?????

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Lamont

10-10-2005 17:54:08




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to Patches, 10-10-2005 06:16:59  
Pull back and blade tractors should be SPONSORED items. Surely there's someone who would do it. (Still need man-power to operates those tractors.)



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Rob Mo.

10-11-2005 21:57:34




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to Lamont, 10-10-2005 17:54:08  
Yeah, pull backs should be sponsored, as for the grading/packing tractors. Your water, ask the local fire department to come out & do some PR. Around here its 10 per hook & with one sled we need 40 hooks to come out even. If anything go out get some construction or other bussinesses to donate money to the event. For your track techs, pull some pullers out, its not a hard job, plus they learn alot about the track before they hook. Thats how we do it here in Mo.

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

10-10-2005 09:43:03




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 Re: Charging Pullers for Admission in reply to Patches, 10-10-2005 06:16:59  
You probably left out the portable toilets that cost around $65.00 ea. per event.



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