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BIO- DIESEL ???energy content

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skip33652

10-19-2005 16:28:57




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just wondering a few things about the bio part of bio diesel. I would presume that the bio part is vegatable oil, soybean oil canola oil and or sunflower oil among others is it the same as the cooking oil as you would buy in store? or does it differ somehow? how is the energy content compared to #2 diesel? How about cetain ratings? more smoke or less? thanks Paul




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joecool

10-20-2005 16:32:57




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to skip33652, 10-19-2005 16:28:57  
From the response of real truck drivers using the bio-diesel, who call into the trucking radio shows on XM radio, 171, they are reporting better fuel mileage, more power, and if you run it it cleans your injectors and tanks, you will have to change fuel filters a time or two if you run regularly.

www.biotrucker.com
www.davenemo.com
www.billmackcountry.com

these websites have alot of info on the fuel, plus Willie Nelson is selling in his truck stop and uses in all his equipment. he also has commercials on RFD-TV

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cj3b_jeep

10-20-2005 07:33:18




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to skip33652, 10-19-2005 16:28:57  
I did a newspaper story on this several years ago. A guy was making it in his barn. He had used vegetable oil and ethanol. He has to filter the cooking oil, blend the ethanol in just the right mix. He figured he had 50 cents a gallon in the stuff plus time. His VW Rabbit Diesel smmelled like french fries when running. He also said you get about 100,000 miles, then you have to replace every bit of rubber that the fuel touches, + intake gaskets and such.

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Sascha

10-20-2005 21:13:53




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 Forget Bio Diesel - straight veggie oil is the ans in reply to cj3b_jeep, 10-20-2005 07:33:18  
Funny... I just collected a few links about this topic!
Check the links on the Tractor Pulling Tech forum in the Engine Tuning section... there is some interesting info on running straight (and even used) vegitable oil ...



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G/MAN

10-19-2005 17:06:25




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to skip33652, 10-19-2005 16:28:57  
I'm not a chemist, but from what little I've read about bio-diesel, horsepower and efficiency are supposed to be as good or better than straight petroleum diesel, emissions are supposed to be reduced, and it has better lubricity, which increases fuel-system life.



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LW

10-20-2005 05:20:11




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to G/MAN, 10-19-2005 17:06:25  
The bio-diesel has ethanol/methnaol added and deteriates hoses rapidly! IF you run a mix of cooking oil with diesel you have better lubrication.



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JaredM

10-19-2005 17:41:40




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to G/MAN, 10-19-2005 17:06:25  
I"m with ya G/MAN except when i did a report for science class last year I remember it said as good or slightly less power, better efficiency, increased lubricity so descreased component wear, smoke reduced up tp 40%, lower emissions, and it also cleans the fuel system out so you have to gradually switch over to higher percentage blends or you"ll end up with lots of crap in the engine really fast. Fuel rep said to put extra filters in the fuel lines from the tank also. I do not think I ever saw anything on cetane numbers. It is basicaaly the same as cooking oil and some guys take used cooking oil from food joints and "clean" it and use it as fuel (biodiesel). I think the website with details on that is "Journey to Forever". Hope this helps. JaredM

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T

10-20-2005 08:42:03




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to JaredM, 10-19-2005 17:41:40  
Im no expert on the subject but I think depending on how old your engine is has alot to do with it. Most newer diesels can run on 100%bio while older(before 1990) have to run on a lighter percentage. Thats how it was explained to me at Farm Science. As far as emmissions and engine life bio fuel will increase engine life and milage,however right now there is very few places to buy it and supply isnt keeping up with demand and bio fuel is more expensive by about 7cents at this time. There are several new facilities being belt on the east coast right now . This will help bring the price down. Eventually it should be cheaper than real diesel.

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ihcpuller

10-20-2005 16:29:48




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to T, 10-20-2005 08:42:03  
the biggest draw back on biodiesel is that it retains 60% more water than regular diesel fuel. It is true about the emission,smoke,hp, and even the lubricity of biodiesel , but the water content will kill your fuel system. And when i say it retains more water , its mixed with the fuel and fuel filters won"t stop it.



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G/MAN

10-21-2005 07:35:20




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to ihcpuller, 10-20-2005 16:29:48  
I think there's a lot of misinformation going around. First of all, "biodiesel" is a big category. There are many types and blends. If it's so hard on fuel systems, why are engine builders recommending it for use, therefore leaving themselves open to increased warranty claims? I know for a fact that soy biodiesel is factory-fill fuel for John Deere tractors and combines, and I'm sure other brands are doing the same. Would they REALLY be recommending something that could cost them money? I think not.

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ihc puller

10-24-2005 15:57:12




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 Re: BIO- DIESEL ???energy content in reply to G/MAN, 10-21-2005 07:35:20  
check the blend that deere and others are putting in at the factory. It's a 3-5% mix and not a 100% bio fuel fill up. It's also good politics for a factory to say we ship our equipment out with bio fuel. Go to fuel manufacture web sits like stanadyne and bosch and see how well they bless 100% bio fuel in their fuel systems.



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