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Lamont

10-27-2005 14:35:38




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My tractor seems to "diesel" worse if I'm running Aviation Gas rather than a good 93 octane pump gas. Why would this happen? A guy at a service station told me the heat inside the cylinder, in combination with the heat from the compression was continuing to ignite the Av. gas after the ignition was shut off. Could that be it? I would think Av. Gas would be harder to ignite due to the higher octane rating. HMMMMM???

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BushogPapa

10-30-2005 13:47:05




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 14:35:38  
Wait a minnut..... WHAT do you mean by "Dieseling"..???

Do you mean that it will not stop when the ignition is turned off..?? THAT is dieseling.....!! Do you mean Pre-Ignition (Pinging)..????

There is a World of difference between the two...

Ron..



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Lamont

10-30-2005 14:02:51




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to BushogPapa, 10-30-2005 13:47:05  
Yes. Dieseling. It wants to keep running when I shut the ignition off - sometimes backwards. I always kill it in gear in case it does that. That way I can let out on the clutch and stop it.



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BushogPapa

10-30-2005 15:12:28




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to Lamont, 10-30-2005 14:02:51  
If you have recently put an alternator on the tractor, it may be back-feeding through the ignition system after you shut the ignition off...

You might need to install a diode to stop any back-feeding..

Ron..



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buickanddeere

10-29-2005 07:21:48




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 14:35:38  
Could be bits of carbon soot in the combustion chamber glowing red like a model airplane engine and lighting her off. The mist of water spray into the intake will steam clean the combustion chamber clean. If the idle is too fast and the mixture plenty rich then dieseling is much worse. AV gas is like any other fuel. It burns hottest when a wee bit on the lean side. Sometimes an engine jetted for pump gas needs to be richened a little to run ideal with 100LL. 100LL figures out to about 97 pump octane equivalent.

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Rahlo

10-28-2005 22:41:11




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 14:35:38  
We need to check the compression and see if it is over 200psi..... ..... ..... If it is then we need to..... ..... ..... ...
Hey, I'm tellin' you brother, turbo blue is what you need. Talked to Matt and he said what he gets at Batesville is 105 to 110 octane and is tough to light and has a long burn rate, thus dieseling is no problem because you need spark. He advised to stay with the hot plug and run your carb a little rich. You run a rich carb now so that will cause some cooling with the higher octane and we will need to lean it a little. I wish you would just try it once. I think you would be satisfied.

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B Barenie

10-28-2005 15:09:37




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 14:35:38  
throw the av gas away, what was it made for, altitude. hello, where the air is thin !


thats all.



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Earl-IL

10-28-2005 12:50:15




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 14:35:38  
Maybe your spark plugs are too high of heat range back them down to a cold plug.Is your Ignition timing OK not too advanced? Earl In Illinois



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ChadS

10-28-2005 10:19:08




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 14:35:38  
Lamont, Run a compression test. best way to help this situation is to know what your dealing with. is this the Case your working on? If the compression pressure is 200, 93 might run it, if it is over 200, or lets say 225-250, there is no way 93 will help pinging. on the IH's Ive messed with, they will diesil if the octane is below 93. thats at 210 psi. Thats why I use ethanol, it does take the guess work out of fuel. That fuel will ignite 300 psi and not detonate, the only fuel I know of that can do that is Methanol Alcohol in a gas engine. I belive Aviation fuel burns so hot in the cyl, that the cyl temp will actually make things worse, just from the temp. if you have tried to adjust the timing on a hot fuel and it does not help, you need to find a better fuel. maybe you have limited resources on what to use for fuels,, but if you can, try to find E85 and mix that with your 93 octane. Im sure that will run that engine and solve the problems you have. The reason I say that is it burns so much cooler, very hard to ignite the more potent the mix is. Im thinking you have a cyl temp problem and causing the run on. Even though it is 100+ octane, its not correct, or its running incredibly lean, which will cause the run on. Hope this helps, What's the compression pressure? what does the plugs look like after you ran it? Chad

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G/MAN

10-27-2005 15:41:08




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 Re: Gasser Dieseling in reply to Lamont, 10-27-2005 14:35:38  
Most av-gas is geared toward long-strong, low-rpm engines, isn't it? It might be harder to light off, and then keep burning longer. Or maybe your ignition system just isn't doing a good enough job of getting it lit off on its own, and it's then going into uncontrolled combustion later in the piston travel.



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