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4010 puller

12-27-2005 15:11:15

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Hey guys:

I"m going to install a JD 6081 (8.1L) in a 4010. Has anyone done this? How much power can be made? Is there any special considerations for this engine swap out of the ordinary?

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Ahab the Arab

12-29-2005 18:30:00

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to 4010 puller, 12-27-2005 15:11:15

couldn't you fix the low power problem easier by trading for a Magnum!!!!! !

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G/MAN

12-28-2005 07:40:04

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to 4010 puller, 12-27-2005 15:11:15

How much power can be made? A lot. Deere rated aftercooled 6081s at up to 337 horsepower @ 1700 rpm in gen-set applications. Special considerations? Making the 4010 powertrain live behind that much engine. You won't want an 8000-series engine, as those blocks are drilled with different pan rail holes to mount to the front frame on those tractors - far fewer 1/2" holes instead of a bunch of 3/8" holes.

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PULL A 4010

12-28-2005 09:09:56

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to G/MAN, 12-28-2005 07:40:04

Your not talking a 466 are you? What is the horsepower potential with the 466, and how hard of a job is it to install in a 4010. Keeping my options open for the future.

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G/MAN

12-28-2005 10:18:02

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to PULL A 4010, 12-28-2005 09:09:56

No, the 6081 engine is 496 cubic inches, and is the descendant of the 6466 and 6076. It's a "450-series" engine as opposed to the 6466 and 6076, which are "400-series" engines. 6081s are found in all 8400 tractors and in the later 8100, 8200 and 8300. Also in many combine models, cotton harvesting machines, OEM applications and so forth. I don't know what the fate of the 6081 is now that the new 6090 9-liter 4-valve engine is coming online, but the 6081 is easily one of Deere's best engines to date.

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JDGnut

12-27-2005 21:20:01

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to 4010 puller, 12-27-2005 15:11:15

Drop me an email... See if you can contact WTW.. He has done a few of these installs.. JDGnut

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G/MAN

12-28-2005 13:35:07

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to JDGnut, 12-27-2005 21:20:01

Have you done any playing with 8030s yet, Gnut? I'm interested in seeing if the fuel economy claims stand up. They must be pretty sure they will, based on how much it's been mentioned in advertising and articles. Don't have any in this neck of the woods yet, and still have a few new 8020s to move out front. Looking forward to going to school on the Thirties, though.

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JDGnut

12-29-2005 08:31:15

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to G/MAN, 12-28-2005 13:35:07

Playing.. why what ever do you mean.. LOL...

I think you will see the economy get better with the 30series.. some to do with the engine.. lower RPMs, VGT.. and some change in the injection events.. and some with the tractor.. some little stuff.. change in the ground driven pump, windage tray for the diff, IVT.. The other thing to remember is the HP increase.. 8530 @ 275hp.. vs 8520 @ 255hp... And not to forget the optional 60GPM hydraulic pump... but even with those changes, I think you will see better economy... JDGnut

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Heat Houser

12-29-2005 16:42:18

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to JDGnut, 12-29-2005 08:31:15

Where is the photo taken? It doesn't look like the training center in Davenport but I could be wrong. I see tractor labeled D. What info were the students to download out of that one?

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G/MAN

01-03-2006 07:30:51

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to Heat Houser, 12-29-2005 16:42:18

I believe it's in Texas at a training center. At classes, they sometimes designate the tractors by number or letter so each work group of technicians knows which tractor to work on, what worksheets go with it, etc.

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G/MAN

12-29-2005 10:29:22

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to JDGnut, 12-29-2005 08:31:15

It will be interesting, that's for sure. You were right way back when about the 8520s not gaining much horsepower after break-in. 270-275 seems to be about it. I've dynoed two 8400s within the last couple of weeks that were in that range, so with the added weight of the 20s and 30s, they definitely need more smoke. Our old AW 375 dyno finally grenaded beyond all reasonable repair (about time, lol), so we've got a shiny new Nebraska 600 to play with now. One thing that we definitely need to get across to guys is that they do NOT need a full rack of front weights on these ILS tractors. We've had some low power complaints that were simply cases of overballasting. But when Deere uses pictures of the 8530 in their advertising showing a full front rack and rear weights piled on, they're sure not helping get the point across.

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JDGnut

12-29-2005 22:31:16

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to G/MAN, 12-29-2005 10:29:22

HH that was in Dallas a few weeks ago... No down loading on that tractor... but we do go throught the installing the calibration codes (or installing the injector files.) for each injector in to the ECU.. something that is new to Deere... Over the road engines have been doing this for a while..

GMan.. I don't know if I'll have time to run the dyno any more or not... but the 8530 I had on the dyno was a little warm... or the dyno was a little off.. (A nice new 600 from A&W...) but she pulled 311hp on two different days... but I would like to back it up by pulling a 20 series tractor on it back to back... I didn't have a good enough water supply to pull a torque curve.. but it should be much steeper because of the lower rated (and max) RPMs.. Yes, the full rack looks good.. but its more than 95% of the owners need... When you add ILS you add over 1500lbs... and on the 30 the weights are even futher out in front.. so even less weight should be needed... Its going to be a learning curve (continued from the 20's) something the salesman are going to have to relay to the buyers... (You don't need to spend all that money on weights..) I have been most impressed with the turbo.. (probably just a gearhead thing.) but the engine will make over 40psi of boost.. I can make 25+ by just activating the hydraulics through jumper hoses... (and sometimes add a little fan load..) I started playing with some things I should have.. and I had the ECU barking the turbo.. LOL.. it would build alot of boost, and then dump the vanes.. and there would be no drive pressure.. It has been fun... and learning.. still learning more about it everyday... JDGnut

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G/MAN

01-03-2006 15:49:22

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Re: 6081 in a 4010 in reply to JDGnut, 12-29-2005 22:31:16

Our new dyno is also an AW, as was the old one. Nebraska 600 is the model, and I'll bet you've got the same one. Ours had a few hours on it from being a demo, I think possibly at one of the training centers somewhere, as I believe that is what the salesmen said. Anyway, it sure is several steps above the old one. It's nice to push the torque button and be able to read torque-rise directly off the display. They tested our water supply flow, and supposedly we have enough to dyno 375-hp continuously, but I honestly think we'll have to do away with the restrictive gate valve on the water inlet and that POS cloth outlet hose that tends to kink, since I can warm it up pretty good pulling an 8400 at 275, even when it's fairly cold outside. Since we dyno outside, I built a drawbar that slips into the square tubing at the front like a receiver hitch in order to pull it back over the hump into the shop, as full of water that thing is about all two guys want to push around on semi-rough concrete. I could handle the old one myself pretty easily. The drawbar didn't turn out as well as I wanted, as I made it multi-piece and kind of telescopic, but it's better than nothing for right now.

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