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A thought on a exhaust

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burns

03-16-2002 08:29:41




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Here is the scenario. You have a exhaust manifold that allows you to have an exhaust pipe per cylinder rather than a collective type manifold. (Basically like an automotive headers)All of the cylinders are running side by side following the firing order sequence.

Here is the question. Do you think that a negative pressure is created on the adjacent exhaust pipes as an exhaust pulse leaves each cylinder. Similar to drafting in racing, is that exhaust pulse pulling air up out of the adjacent pipes? Are more cylinders better? I understand Denny' sells something similar for the Farmall line but I was thinking about some of the JD's that have seperate exhaust pipes. Has any one played around with anything like this? I know there are folks who have played on the automotive side before.

Just food for thought (trying to spark a topic other than brand/dealer bashing)

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Don't you mean DORK tube

03-16-2002 15:36:26




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 Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to burns, 03-16-2002 08:29:41  
Enuff said!



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Goldsburg

03-16-2002 11:04:20




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 Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to burns, 03-16-2002 08:29:41  
Burns -

The header/collector concept works because the longer pipes are "tuned" for the pulse reversion to assist the scavenging of that same cylinder. This would not create a negative pressure wave in the other cylinders because the pulse wave in the collector is a pressure pulse. The pulse, regardless of whether it is above or below atmospheric, will follow the inside diameter of the pipe that is carrying it. Once a cylinder pulse (above atmospheric) leaves the individual tube and emerges into the collector, the pulse (still above atmospheric) is now travelling along the wall of the collector. The pulse is unable to revert back down the other tubes because of destructive interference of diameter 1 (the runner) and diameter 2 (the collector). The first diameter change after the runner (D1 -> D2) is where the tuning reversion pulse originates, once the pulse enters the collector no additonal benefit may be achieved from this individual pulse. Automobiles use headers because they provide additional runner length over a cast iron manifold. The tubes run together and into a collector so that a muffler and tailpipes may be easily attached.

Now with all of that being said, IF the product that Denny sells DOES make additional horsepower (?), it is most likely because you are strictly adding length to the exhaust system. The extra length might bring the resonant tuning frequency of your exhaust piping system closer to that required for your particular tractor, at a particular RPM. The resonant tuning frequency requirement would be based on the RPM and number of cylinders of your engine. It WOULD NOT be due to the dingus (torque pipe, whatever) itself enhancing the pulse tuning of your exhaust system.

My guess would be that if it is adding horsepower, then a piece of straight exhaust pipe appriximately the same length would do as much, if not more....

Goldsburg

P.S I have never dyno tested the Torque Pipe. I have never believed in the concept enough to potentially waste $40.00

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burns

03-16-2002 17:18:45




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 Re: Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to Goldsburg, 03-16-2002 11:04:20  
Now there is food for thought and we didn't even need the physics books for that. LOL!!

I agree that the pulse is unable to revert down the adjacent pipes but could the pulse draw air out of the adjacent pipes. I am guessing it wouldn't be enough to make a noticable difference on 50-75hp engine. Another question I have for you is regarding the collector. Can the length of the collector effect the exhaust velocity and pressure?

I had some troubles at the beginning of last summers season. I had just got my G running after making a lot changes. What I noticed on low RPM's and after a hard pull, was a deep woffled back fire sound inside the pipe. By going to a 3" exhaust pipe eliminated this from occuring. I contributed it to not expelling all of the exhaust gases. Made a world of difference in the performance of the ol' girl.

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Goldsburg

03-16-2002 18:31:04




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 Re: Re: Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to burns, 03-16-2002 17:18:45  
Burns -

Simply put: No, it cannot pull exhaust from adjacent pipes as there is no venturi effect inside of the collector.

What size pipe were you running when you had the woffling backfire? If it was smaller, then I am guessing that you were pulling raw fuel and air mixture across the open valves during the overlap period. This mixture would tend to then ignite inside the hot exhaust system. If the pipe was bigger before, then I can't be sure but maybe there is(was) a problem (lean out) with your carburetor that the new pipe is masking...?

Goldsburg

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oldtimer

03-17-2002 07:30:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to Goldsburg, 03-16-2002 18:31:04  
Hey GOLDSBURG,what about these inverted funnel type pipes? seen a few of those around Wouldn't the exspansion of the pipe help to scavenge the cyl.? or is this another PIPE dream.Don't seem to get much further down the track.



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burns

03-16-2002 21:15:14




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to Goldsburg, 03-16-2002 18:31:04  
It was a 2 1/2" mandrel pressed steel pipe from Deere (stock). Steve Crum creates his 3" pipes from fittings made by Tri-Clover. As I'm sure you are well aware, this allows for a consistant diameter end to end. The camshaft I installed has a higher lift profile with a change in timing from the F900R cam specs. I am positive the valve overlap had some effect.

Thanks again.



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more than enuff said

03-16-2002 16:09:52




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 Re: Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to Goldsburg, 03-16-2002 11:04:20  
I agree with Goldsburg on this one. I have seen only one of the tork pipes at a pull. Saw no outstanding power accompanied with it. Way overpriced for $40.00



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Scott

03-17-2002 03:33:21




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 Re: Re: Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to more than enuff said, 03-16-2002 16:09:52  
I have tested Denny`s tourque tube on a dyno using a John Deere G and a Farmall M. More power was made with a straight pipe on both tractors. Don`t waste any money on it!



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Rebel 300

03-19-2002 11:03:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: A thought on a exhaust in reply to Scott, 03-17-2002 03:33:21  
I showed My buddy the ad with the dork pipe and he thought denny used it to smoke the magic grass out of.



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