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former puller

01-17-2006 06:17:35




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I quit pulling a few years ago because of all the cry babies I personally have better things to do with my time lately I've been thinking of getting back into it but the post about tires has reafirmed me spending my money else where . I have job that requires me to work 6-7 days aweek I don't have the time to go search junk yards for tires and there not open when I have the free time I don't have the time to run my stuff up and downthe road but Ican go and spend an hour or two tuning up my tires witha grinder in my opinoin the ones crying about tires being cut are lazy ones who have either the time to go up down the pavement or go to salvage yard to salvage yard looking for the perfect set and now the cost factor couple of grinding discs 12 pack of Bud 25 dollars losing a day of work picking thru salvage yards and finding nothing cost 750 dollars from work missed 100-150 dollars in wasted fuel costs and there is'nt set of tires thats are worth that time and money . All you self righteous farm stock and your road worn tires probably don't have a true farmstock tractor to begin with so in my opinion your all cheaters any ways!

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ne wis.

01-17-2006 17:50:59




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
smoke,dirt,and broken parts.is all that counts.i like it like that.at the end of the track.ps if you don't cut new tires.they ain't worth puillin!

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Eddie Haskell

01-17-2006 16:44:51




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
Cry me a river!

Take the thumb out of your mouth so you type some more whiney comments!



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mo4xdadad

01-17-2006 15:51:40




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
Why the big compaint about road worn tires, I undrerstand the issue with top cuts they are physically altered. But I have a particular tractor that is used on the farm pulling a big tub spreader, we drive up and down the road at our pulling weight (to lazy to pull wheel weights off) with our pulling air pressure, and spread manure all day long for a week or two at a time twice a year. Each trip is 5 miles round trip to the chicken houses and back. Are we cheating as some say? It is after all farm use.
So how do you really know if the road wear was intentional. After all they are pretty nice 18.4x38's. By the way our tractor is just 425 ci. and beats a lot of those fancy ones just by proper set up for the track. So the ? is am I cheating as some say.

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Bryce

01-17-2006 17:59:32




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 Re: why I quit in reply to mo4xdadad, 01-17-2006 15:51:40  
So if I sharpen my tires and only use the tractor on the auger,by your account I am still legal "Becuase I farm with it"?You don"t plow or disc the road.



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Too far Gone

01-20-2006 17:33:03




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 Re: why I quit in reply to Bryce, 01-17-2006 17:59:32  
Comment from a man who never farmed much,if You never had to travel from farm to farm to get your chores and field work done.



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Lamont

01-18-2006 08:58:15




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 Re: why I quit in reply to Bryce, 01-17-2006 17:59:32  
That is not even close to what "his account" was. He didn't sharpen his. He used it for farm work.



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Lamont

01-17-2006 10:28:30




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 For your health? in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
Sounds like your blood pressure may have been a serious issue too! Don't take all this crap too seriously. I just hate to see people promote the top-cut allowance, then turn right around and say it doesn't give an advantage. If it doesn't give an advantage, why do it in the first place? If you're going to use the "level the playing field for everyone" line, just come on out and say "I can't compete without top-cuts." We're all grown-ups. We can take the TRUTH. Just have fun. Getting mad never has helped anyone win.

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Jak

01-17-2006 11:51:00




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 Re: For your health? in reply to Lamont, 01-17-2006 10:28:30  
Right On!!!It's done for a reason,IT HELPS.



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new to pulling

01-17-2006 08:56:22




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
I'm new to the sport of pulling and I'm tring to put together a model A J.D. to pull in the stock class.I hate to see all the fuss about the issue of tires. Its all suppose to be about fun anyway.
Some people take things to seriously. To me its more fun being the underdog anyway.As long as the tires stay stock ag. tires in the stock class it does not make any difference to me what the other guy does to his or her tires.There will always be cheaters and cry babies. Relax have some fun.

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Captainhookerus

01-17-2006 08:37:29




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
We need to either cut them or run brand new ones.



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Lamont

01-17-2006 14:27:45




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 LOGIC? in reply to Captainhookerus, 01-17-2006 08:37:29  
Wouldn't running only new tires require a new set every time? Hey! I think I follow your logic. Let's only run tractors that have never been rebuilt!!!!! ! Or maybe require that your tractor has had to have been rebuilt!!!!! ! Now there's an idea.



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former puller

01-17-2006 12:43:58




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 Re: why I quit in reply to Captainhookerus, 01-17-2006 08:37:29  
you figured it out sort of and are on the right track the cut part right but instead of new tires out of the field tires if he or she beats me hats off they got my undieing respect but road worn spun backwards in farmstock take hike because YOU ARE THE PROBLEM every feild tire I have ever seen the bar was dull and rounded on the top and face thats the way allof grand dads uncles farms I used to work were if you were to go by this fair playing field and would stillbe involved all my tires are uncut feild tires and I don't live in the city and again not angry not sad just calling it how I see it all you guys that have an attitude about my post are the exact cheating a-holes I'm talking about you are the reason Idon't come and play any more I know MO he's a good ffella same with you CHAD most of the rest of yas if you were on fire.....

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ChadS

01-18-2006 09:20:59




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 12:43:58  
NAAA,, we just cheat the best. Thats what second place in our clubs always say. Didn't you know that winners never cheat?? I still feel like I should not have to alter my farm stock tractor to pull, but, if the rules say I can, and im able, I guess Ill just have to follow suit. Red tractor hearts are trump this year! I wont gloat, I swear! LMAO!!!! When Pandoras box is opened, we all see something that just aint right, dont we? What do we do?? lay down and die, or do we stand up and fight? or well, pull tractors! When the smoke clears, the tractors are loaded, instead of a feeling of deciet, Ill know at the end, I did it legally. Win, lose, or draw. I did my best, at each and every event. Unfortunatly, with an altered machine. I did not want it this way, but no one will sit there and gloat in my face, that their modified tractor beat up on a bunch of fellas who did try to win on the up and up. Im standing up for all those guys! Let em have their strokers, let em have their altered tires, let em have it all. WE DONT NEED IT! We came to pull that sled, within the rules, and fully open with what we have done to the equipment. Wont have a stroker, wont have cut tires, wont be over rpm'd, no custom gears, no posi rear ends, just good ol fashioned whoopA$$ in a 24 pack case! We work with what we have that the rules will allow. Dont blame me,, blame the rules, cause they will get beat, at their own game! They made the rules. I enjoy getting protested, really I do! I love the discussion, not an argument, but ya know what? 9 times out of 10, they come up and ask,, how'd u do that?? I say,,, LIKE THIS!! The ones who dont do that, have something to hide. JMHO, Chad

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Flogger

01-17-2006 08:36:49




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
I suppose in just about any form of formal competition there are going to be some feathers ruffled from time to time. Most pulling associations start with a set of rules the majority approves of. Now there are some who will burn the midnight oil setting up their tractor by the rules, who'll watch the track, figure out how to dodge the holes, and really think about where they're hanging their weights, how much tire pressure to run and the like. Then there will be the old boy who shows up 2 or 3 times a year with his grandaddy's old tractor, weighs up, pulls, and gets fighting mad because the other fella beats him. Now the first guy is a cheater because he knows how to win within the rules. It's about like anything else. Anything worth doing is worth doing well... and right...

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Mopower

01-17-2006 11:14:26




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 Re: why I quit in reply to Flogger, 01-17-2006 08:36:49  
I couldn't have said it better Flogger. Creating a set of rules for competiton and then expecting pullers not to compete is not just silly, it is unnatural. There will always be winners and losers and no amount of rules will let everyone win. When Clintonia Antique Farm Power created our strict Farm Stock class, it was one of the best things we could have ever done for barnyard tractors. As we create our new rules, to satisfy the more picky fencerow pullers, I suggest renaming our four classes:

Poor Cheater, Cheater, Cheater Plus, and Rich Cheater.

Only joking, but you get my point...if no one is supposed to try to win, it might as well be hooked to a plow.

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Flogger

01-17-2006 14:02:08




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 Re: why I quit in reply to Mopower, 01-17-2006 11:14:26  
Yep, funny thing is nobody worries too much about the rules until you start winning. Finish last and that 454 on the B Allis Chalmers will probably slip through, but kick a little booty and they start getting real picky about casting numbers, tire treads, hitch length.... The dreaded tach comes out.... Limit speed, rpm, hitch height and tire size in stock pulling and the rest will take care of itself.... The tractors with the best set-up and balance will still usually finish up front.

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Ken Crisman

01-17-2006 08:07:25




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
Gee , I was always led to believe trctors were built for "pulling" plows & other impliments in fields to feed our families & animals . Apparantly you city farmers have way too much time & money to even think of the hard & enjoyable work of growing your own food . Ruining a good tractor the way you do by making drag racers out of them is really senseless . If you wanta play , keep them as fram tractors . Around my area the 4H has a yearly tractor pull . Strictly stock farm tractors with cow pucky still on the tires . Now that's a sport . I can enjoy . Ken

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PaleRider 570

01-18-2006 05:53:33




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 Re: why I quit in reply to Ken Crisman, 01-17-2006 08:07:25  
Why don't you mind your freek'in bisiness. If you don't like tractor pulling don't come read a TRACTOR PULLING message board. What makes your hobbies better than mine? We all paid for our tractors and have every right to do with them whatever we want. You're probadly one of them guys that takes tractors to shows and sits around on lawn chairs and talks about what color that bolt should be. If there is one thing I can't stand it's high and mighty morons like you try and tell others what they should do. Get a life and quit worrying about other people!!!

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Scotmac

01-17-2006 07:54:53




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
Former puller...I sympathize wtih you. I pulled for years..in the modified class and it just got to be too much of a money game. I then took a few years off and got into late model stock car racing, where we all "supposedly" ran the same tires and same specs in the engines. Had a good time there, for a while. The guys used to ask why I quit pulling and went to racing? The standard reply was the money issue. When I told them it would take a million dollars in the bank to win a Grand National Championship, they really were taken aback. Well, the engine builders got to racing dynos with each other and there got to be a lot of tricks being played with the tires...same old deal...'ya get a good thing going and the guys who feel they have to cheat to win flubbed things up for everyone else. It now is also a money game. These days I'm just happy playing with 'ol tractors and doing my thing, making me happy and the heck with everyone else! It's fun, rewarding, relaxing, and much cheaper than seeing a shrink!

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ChadS

01-17-2006 07:03:56




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
I hear ya. I dont feel sorry for you, but I hear what your saying. Times are changing. Reality is, there is no such thing as a stock tractor, set up to pull in a competition. On the other hand, in deadweight pulling, you will find stockers,, stockers that can kick A$$ and take names later. Heck, I am building a stroker just to run farm stock classes anymore,, I dont wanna do it,, but I feel,, I owe it to them. Anyone can call me a cheater,, but I know if someone protested me for that,, the whole darn class is getting protested cause they run em too. Tires,,, has been a heated discussion all over the US,, fact is,, its better to have a top cut tire. Just cause of the statement you made there,, cause if everyone had em, what would be the argument when you get beat again?? If you was to level the playing field in certain areas,, it will bring peace,, eventually,,,,, Lately, I have been upset with our club,,, In years past, we always have pulled percentage, now, rule changed deemed, that distance will be used. I was not a big fan of that idea, I was more thinking of a tradition issue, but, I guess that it is not the case anymore. It just means I have to change with the times If I want to compete. If you want top cut tires in a hurry,, have a friend, bring over a tractor, heavier than yours,,, hook a chain up to yours, and put your tractor in reverse, have your buddy pull you down the road slowly,, in about a 1/2 a mile, you will have a sharper tire in about 10 minutes! It works! As long as your rules say you can have top cuts. LOL,,, do it inbetween classes if you have a patch of asphalt near by,,, you wanna tick someone off,,, thats the way to do it!! Being tired and angry due to work, well, Im sure we all feel that way, so take that frustration, and put it on the track. Maybe,, since you have quit pulling, you may have became a little more angry,, but,, Rome was not built in a day,, Niether was your pulling tractor,,, Now, was it?? Think about this,,, all the little 10 minute jobs you do to the pulling tractor,, over a 3 year time span, adds up. Soon enough, you would have everything done, with the schedule you have. Sounds like you drive truck,,, maybe you dont,, I did,, 9 years over the road, I made time!!! And, had lots of time to think about what I did to the tractor!! Keep on keepin on. If you have a family to feed, and bills to pay, or whatever the reason is you work 7 days a week, no body can call you a cheater for doing that. JMHO, even if it dont make sence. ChadS, long time listener,, 1 millionth time caller!!!

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massey333

01-18-2006 08:31:34




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 Re: why I quit in reply to ChadS, 01-17-2006 07:03:56  
Chads,not to pick afight but their are still some of us who still pull stock tractors and were competive until the people who weren't started the cuting to get ahead at all cost.I take 2-4 tractors to a pull which is 6 to 12 classes a PULL.15 to 30 pulls a year.NONE of my tractors are bored or stroked and are used on gin jobs year round.I have pulled for over 50 yrs.and haven't cut tires since the 70s and 80s with NTPA and said I never would again,so if more people start rebelling like me then look at the entry fees each club stands to lose. PS I only went to 4 pulls in 2005 and 06 is in ?

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ChadS

01-18-2006 14:55:59




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 Re: why I quit in reply to massey333, 01-18-2006 08:31:34  
I know exactly what your saying! Seen it, been there before. Isee what your saying about rebellion,, I would, but cant seem to tear myself from the sport too long. Nor, would it accomplish much for me, Id be unhappy cause I let em get the best of me. Our pulling team takes 5 tractors on average to an event at 10$ a hook, X2 (2hooks a class) X 4 hooks each tractor. Adds up real quick! Ive been told that exact same phrase before, but, thats them, and they have the right to do whatever they choose. Isnt it fun though,,, when the stocker beats the modifieds?? Chad

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former puller

01-17-2006 07:28:59




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 Re: why I quit in reply to ChadS, 01-17-2006 07:03:56  
self employed Chad the part I miss is going down the track me and the tractor thelonger the ride the better better traction =longer ride 4 hours with a grinding wheel longer distances I'm not pissed just drew aline in the sand and walked away if I want to listen to crying and lame excusses pick up the phone and collect money



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ChadS

01-17-2006 07:52:38




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 07:28:59  
I was watching a video last night of an old tractor pull,,, It was a particularly large pull, I have a counter on my VCR,, and I reset it and counted how long it took for me from start to finish,,, took 55 seconds!! Now thats a long ride now! You know how long it took me to cut the tires on that tractor?? 7 days, 8 hours a day. full set. Maybe, you should walk over the line you drawn,,,, this time, if you draw a line, hopefully, it will be in clay instead of sand. maybe, even the full pull line???? Does your tractor see double duty?? Farming/pulling? If so, I can see why cut tires would not be ok,, but, niether is 2 sets of tires either,,, LOL! Make some time soon, go fire up your tractor, pull up a chair, and just listen to it run. You would be surprized in what that tractor will tell you. PS, make sure the garage door is open!! Chad

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LumbrJakMan

01-17-2006 06:46:38




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
Former Puller ..... You Really need to Relax , and try to find whats Really Buggin ya. I pull here in New Hampshire with guys who I KNOW have Doubled the Stock HP on ther Tractors . I still have a Mantle FULL of Trophies ! Theres Nothing I like better than to watch those Meat heads go out and wind there Tractors up , Throw all kindsa Dirt and then I just go out and seem to find a Nice even RPM ,,, Usually a Wild one like 1100 and walk that damn sled to right where I want it . Theres an Old Timer up the street who tells me every time I start talking bout "making more Ponies " hey Kid , whens the Last time you lost Power before Traction ?? It just makes sense . I focus on biting the Track before I focus on The Price of CAM 2 racing Fuel. And I have been known to tell the Motor Heads that if they had any Brains , They wouldve spent there Money on Buying Trophies , Instead of Motor Jobs , cuz its worth about the same in our minds as if they went downtown and just bought it for cash ! Just the way I see it ..... Go Ahead and reply ... I can take it !! LOL

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Still Pulling

01-17-2006 06:29:45




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 06:17:35  
There a tear in my beer and I'm crying for you dear



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former puller

01-17-2006 07:10:05




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 Re: why I quit in reply to Still Pulling, 01-17-2006 06:29:45  
yeah it's alot of funlistening to abunch of old worn out bastards cry some young guy with a hair of ambition shows up cause old Fred thinks he;s owed by all . my poinnt is why should Iwaste my time money and wear and tear on my equipment it is'nt worth it and how long is it gonna be before more quit it went from fun to why give these fools your money for the hook fee . I'm over it if Idon't care if go to another pull I came on here see this infantile crap I smile feel good that I'm not throw away money used do it to grt away from the stress of bussiness since I quit sold all of bought a bike it'ts nice to go get lost but I get the itch to go pull then Isee this crap why waste my time

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Eddie Haskell

01-17-2006 10:00:45




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 07:10:05  
Now that your underwear aren't in a wad since you left tractor pulling we won't be hearing from you anymore.

Now go b & m to someone who gives a darn!



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JD hauler

01-17-2006 08:42:58




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 Re: why I quit in reply to former puller, 01-17-2006 07:10:05  
It sounds to me like your clubs need classes with rules for each class, sure the rules will get " interpeted" or " bent" and in most cases broken, just do it the same as the next guy and your off the hook, if he has 30 more hp than you, turn yours up and it sure evens it out. All pullers are out to win , every pull , every hook, you just personally have to decide how you will react when you dont win, are you gonna whine, cry or complain, go ahead, all your pulling "colleagues" will be glad to bash you in their next garage meeting and then kick you to the curb, so decide how mad your gonna get when the pulls dont go your way ahead of time, you either enjoy it enough to come back or you wont, just dont make yourself center of the attention. Have a good day.

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dctom

01-17-2006 15:31:50




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 Re: why I quit in reply to JD hauler, 01-17-2006 08:42:58  
NAME OF THE GAME ALWAYS HAS BEEN OUT CHEAT THE CHEATERS LMAO



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ChadS

01-18-2006 08:51:56




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 Re: why I quit in reply to dctom, 01-17-2006 15:31:50  
I got a kick out of that Tom! Tom, I know the rules are written, I have seen em, I know that I OVER vented to you on my opinion. I belive that evolution has finally caught up to NCIATPA. After thinking bout it for a while, Talking to Dad, I have decided to SUPPORT this new decision for the modified division. I always enjoy a challenge. So, here is what Im gonna do,,, We still will pull Farm stocks, With our SH, and SM. I really enjoyed pulling with my peers and somewhat mentors of this sport, once again this past season, and really, the rules dont affect that division. Our Super M is undergoing changes in the engine. I assure the rest of the club, that I did not remove the block from the tractor to do my modifications, nor do I run a limited slip in any of them. The 40 H, which is apart now, is the only tractor I ran one in. The rest has not been altered. Never will be. I say this now, and will not repeat it, cause Im only gonna say it once. When I bring back our Farm stock Super M, there will be a moline very very unhappy with it, and I know what happens when they get beat. They cry CHEATERS!! Well, like you said, out cheat the cheaters,,, BUT,, I wont be cheating when I git r done! My clevis is flat, my tires are dull, and my engine is stock CI displacement. Im going for it Tom! Im going for the title! The one, who beat, the big bad Moline, and did it on the UP AND UP! Fair n square. Now, as for the modified division,,, I keep on hearing rumors of this guy doing this, and this guy doing that,, Which, Im glad they feel they have to improve. Personally, I dont give a damn anymore. I will not support the heavy tractors. Thats not my place. My place is to run the light classes, no one is there to do that anymore. I know, that my 70 HP H will not compete in the mods against a 120 HP SM. SOOOO,,, Im building a M. 3900lbs, So i get that weight placement where I want it. A spicy little stroker, of our own design. Getting back to basics,, stop worrying bout what everyone else is doing, and do what I do best, compete! Tom, for next year, I think the farm stock should go back to 3.5mph, for the 07 pulling season. What do you think? Chad

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b barenie

01-17-2006 17:44:56




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 Re: why I quit/dctom in reply to dctom, 01-17-2006 15:31:50  
dctom
Please admit your title, please explain your position on this posting !

Have a very good evening !!!!



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