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Brad in WI

01-17-2006 10:37:49




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To have a tractor qualify for farmstock the tires should not be as big as an issue as horsepower. Will a Farmall M do better with top cut tires over road worn if it was STOCK. What should be done is dyno every tractor in farmstock class off of the PTO. If they refuse they have to jump to the next class. Just my .02 cents.
Brad




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Braunvieh Farms

01-21-2006 15:20:27




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Brad in WI, 01-17-2006 10:37:49  
I'm just curious here all the pulls I have been in the limits were tire size, weight, and r's. In St. Croix Cty Wi the limit for 15,000 was any size tire, no duals, and a max of 2800 R's then in 19,000 you could have duals and if you had MFD it had to be turned off. It seems to me that everyone is getting all worked up for nothing. In my experience simpler seems to be better.



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mshultz

01-18-2006 06:19:46




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Brad in WI, 01-17-2006 10:37:49  
In my opinion, the only way to do a true "farm stock" class it to check both tires and dyno, as well as check for stock parts. This can become a huge burden for a club to try to find help to put on a pull when you get into this type of class. You need the tire police, the dyno crew, experts for each brand of tractor to spot non-factory replacement parts - all on top of your regular helpers - sled man, pull back tractor, hooker, unhooker, flagman, roller operator, scraper tractor guy, registration helpers, food helpers, etc.. I wouldn't mind if that's the way a pull is run when I show up at one, but I sure wouldn't want to host one like that - hard enough getting helpers as it is.

Another problem in some of the non-antique classes is the repowering of farm tractor with non-stock engines - they're farmed with probably more than many of the "farm stock" tractors, but because they were repowered with another engine they're frowned upon - and can you fit such a thing into a class or tell the guy to keep it at home - even though as I said above he legitimately uses the tractor on his farm 10X more than his competition with "stock" tractors.

My opinion is to run just like out antique club does it. Limit tire size and cut for each class, pace some of them, set a drawbar height, and let em pull. We've been running that way for over 5 years now and it has been very successful. Very little bickering - just go and pull and have fun. HP doesn't = winning in pace classes near as much as in non-pace. People know what they're getting into when they show up, and almost everyone goes away happy - very few sour grapes.

Just my opinion. Cliff can chime in on how things run at our pull, but I think he'll be mostly positive:)

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CLIFF S

01-18-2006 06:59:48




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to mshultz, 01-18-2006 06:19:46  
mshultz thats what i been talking about is what you said! They cayn't check every thing but if they limit tire type and size,Drawbar hight and Speed, It all helps level the playing field, and I agree thats why our club has been my favorite place to pull with a class for everyone and i have brought friends along that think the same! and one comes from 2 hrs away every time to get there,You Cayn't please everyone all the time but this place comes as close as any of the 7 clubs that I pull with!!!

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mshultz

01-18-2006 08:42:59




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to CLIFF S , 01-18-2006 06:59:48  
Are some of the other clubs in the area starting to go this route? The way I read your post above I wasn't sure??



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CLIFF S

01-18-2006 09:49:34




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to mshultz, 01-18-2006 08:42:59  
Yes! Hughsville has a STOCK class and i mean STOCK! 16" drawbar and they will hook up there clevis,stock tires and 2 mph speed, with weight brackets, Last year Nisbet fire co started cut and noncut and now they had more non than cut and Kenny will make sure they keep there classes seprate and there rpms at 10%,Trout run is moving and they are going with seprate classes, Anties fort all reddy has Div 2, Div 3 and div 3 open and larger open classes, And Buffalo Valley is still draging there feet on classes with non cut BUT still has a 39 and older class that gets 3 or 4 tractors a year! Go figure!

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Flyin Farmall

01-17-2006 16:48:09




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Brad in WI, 01-17-2006 10:37:49  
Here in central Wi.we do the Dyno thing.We give a little allowance,and it seems to be OK.We go by the M&W chart for the later model in the series.If a tractor built before 38 does not have a pto,we usually leave it up to the guys in the class to do what is fair.You can usually tell when they are over,so far no problems! We do not allow ANY tire alterations in Stock class.



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Brad in WI

01-18-2006 02:13:59




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Flyin Farmall, 01-17-2006 16:48:09  
What group do you pull with. I am in Green Bay and do a little bit of tugging with my MD. I just get frustrated because with my recent overhaul and stock tires. (13.6 X 38) I can beat stock tractors easily (up to and including IH 1066s) given a good day Sounds like your club might be something I could be interested in.
Brad



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Keep dreaming

01-18-2006 18:36:27




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Brad in WI, 01-18-2006 02:13:59  
Boy oh boy send me some of that you are smoking. Beat 1066s with a M. I can't believe you even posted that reply. Better check your math again. You sure in the hell can't stay close to my 460 and I sure in the hell never seen ya pull in the 10500 class. Who are you trying to kidd.



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Brad in WI

01-19-2006 02:15:58




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Keep dreaming, 01-18-2006 18:36:27  
I have beat out a 1066 IH and a CIH MX 280 in Houghton Michigan, at the Houghton County Fair. Tractors are farm stock (spread manure that morning) and the drivers are not experienced like you are. On any given pull day your 460 will possibly fall flat on its face just as my MD would. I did not say that I can do it consistantly, I just said that I could do it. I could also do it again if I were to travel the great distance on the last weekend of August. The only rule up there is "HAVE FUN". It is pulling before $10,000 motors and the only argument is which is better, green or red.
Brad

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Flyin Farmall

01-18-2006 16:18:04




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Brad in WI, 01-18-2006 02:13:59  
Brad,I am with the Symco Pullers Association.We have classes for EVERYONE! We pull PURE STOCK 3000# antique 1 (38 and older) up to hot farm 14,000 and everything in between.Check out our rules on the website,there is a link on this site or type in symco pullers association in the search,and it should come up.



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Bryce

01-18-2006 06:03:49




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Brad in WI, 01-18-2006 02:13:59  
Brad,sorry for the delay in sending those pistons.Been real busy,but they should be on thier way sometime this morning.Again I hope they work for you,if you have any more ??? feel free to call or email.Bryce



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Brad in WI

01-18-2006 09:49:04




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Bryce, 01-18-2006 06:03:49  
Bryce, must be some other guy that you are thinkin of. The last time I checked I didn't buy a set of pistons or ?. Sorry about the confusion.
Brad



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champspa

01-17-2006 13:24:28




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Brad in WI, 01-17-2006 10:37:49  
JUST wondering if that might delay the pull a day or two and what if your rebuild had all stock parts and still dynos more than stock hp? you might dyno me and find I have 20hp more than stock does that mean I can't pull .



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Brad in WI

01-18-2006 02:19:33




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to champspa, 01-17-2006 13:24:28  
If it dynos more that is where an allowance has to be taken into consideration. For instance how many Farmall M's were rebuilt with the stock 3.875 bore. Nearly all were upgraded to the super M's bore of 4.000 I do not know to much about Deere or Olivers so that is where the group would have to get together and decide what is a good allowance. If your tractor was 25 HP stock and it dynos 45 HP now. that will raise a question. If it was 110Hp stock and now dynos 130 HP that may be something different. May have to be a set HP amount or a percent. Again depends on what the club decides. My .02 cents
Brad

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Bryce

01-17-2006 11:32:10




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Brad in WI, 01-17-2006 10:37:49  
But what do you do with the really old stock tractors ("36"37 that did not come with a pto? Otherwise I would agree.



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G/MAN

01-17-2006 13:34:33




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to Bryce, 01-17-2006 11:32:10  
Dyno off a belt pulley.



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mm-r47

01-17-2006 14:15:11




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to G/MAN, 01-17-2006 13:34:33  
My wheatland didn't come with either belt of pto.
Now what?



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G/MAN

01-18-2006 10:26:08




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to mm-r47, 01-17-2006 14:15:11  
Did it not come with one, or is it incapable of having one installed? If you want to pull and there's a dyno rule, sounds like you'll need to install a PTO or pulley to dyno and pull.



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CLIFF S

01-17-2006 16:38:39




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 Re: Farmstock classes in reply to mm-r47, 01-17-2006 14:15:11  
First thing you can tell if its cut .But if they lie about it there shuld be rules put in to cover it for a STOCK like class, Like 2.75 to 3 mph and all the stock parts like the Hitch for starters 16"max with clevis and no tractors pulled under shipping weight and stock tire sizes,like my farmall M 13.6x38 and my Case VAC 9.5X32 and then if they dont fit in put them in the Top Cut Tire Class Where most Belong At 3.5 Mph Remember You guys said Farm Stock

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