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Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06????

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Post 1960 Pulle

01-18-2006 09:19:55




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Just curious if any of the clubs are going to allow the after 1960's year tractors to pull in a class of there own, or in a Out Law class of the Antique's verus the newer post 60's tractor's. May increase the number of hooks at a pull!




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oldrusty

01-19-2006 15:09:32




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
Keep speed to 3.5 and tire size equal and My old Rusty Case CC says lets Pull and have fun.



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Greg H WV

01-19-2006 10:13:18




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
The great equilizer is ground speed. Keep it under 3.5, and it doesn't matter what year the tractor is. However if you allow the clubs to pull at higher ground speeds,this is when grandpa's M starts getting beat by the stripped down 4010, with the 500plus cubes, higher compression, and ability to turn the cut 18.4's. If you keep them slow, it's more tires and ballance, and driver Luck. Basically make the new tractors pull the same old tractor rules, and everything should stay fair. Cheaters wil be cheaters, stock restorationist will be stock, it matters little what year their tractors are made. Later, Greg H.

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Flogger

01-19-2006 03:48:39




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
I wouldn't have any problem pulling against 4010/3010s, 706/806s if they pull by the same antique rules the rest of us do, meaning stock rpms, the same tire size and hitch requirements, and the same speed limit of 3-3.5 mph. I'm sure there are plenty of post 1960 460/560s already pulling pre 1960 classes anyway. The newer higher HP tractors would probably have to either go faster or heavier to have much if any advantage over a well set up antique.

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Jak

01-19-2006 07:49:44




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Flogger, 01-19-2006 03:48:39  
Hey Flogger we was just talking about that very subject at a pull a while back,there must have been more 460's and 560's built in 59 than any other years combined.



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Flogger

01-19-2006 08:54:37




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Jak, 01-19-2006 07:49:44  
LOL, you think?



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Jak

01-19-2006 09:42:32




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Flogger, 01-19-2006 08:54:37  
Theres just a bunch of them pulling now and the pulls I go to they aren't checking the serial numbers,leaves them wide open.



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migraine

01-18-2006 19:57:01




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
The Puget Sound Antique Tractor Assn. here in the Northwest Washington area has just amended its rules to create a new class from 1960 to 1976 or 30 years old and that age will move with the years. This will allow some of the younger pullers to have a level playing field without being forced into our Hot Farm class where we run 12 mph and 3200 rpm. They can run whatever options that tractor came with from the factory.i.e turbo and tire size. We feel this will give us some new blood in the pulls and give everyone a place to pull. Anyone else that has a tractor that does not fit in a given class will be allowed to pull in exhibition and we give trophys or plaques for that as well. Migraine

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OCMF

01-20-2006 09:19:26




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to migraine, 01-18-2006 19:57:01  
Maybe you should remove the word "Antique" from your club name. How will allowing newer tractors to pull promote younger peoples interest in antique tractors? How many pre 1940 tractors do you have pulling? They are the true antique tractors and the name of you club includes "Antique Tractors". Unless you create a class for them won't "give everyone a place to pull". Aren't you concerned that allowing the newer tractors could cause a lot of people to loose interest in the pre 1960 tractors? It's certainly going to dilute the pre 1960 tractors at your show.

You may have a class for everyone but do you have enough pullers for every class. Sure there will be lot trophies or plaques given out but is it still considered competition if there is only a couple of tractors in each class? When you try and please everyone you often end up not pleasing anyone.

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POST 1960 PULLER

01-20-2006 10:05:59




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to OCMF, 01-20-2006 09:19:26  
The last I knew, as a rule of thumb antique took in 25 years and older age wise. So realistically anything of 1981 or older should be allowed to pull and still maintain the word ANTIQUE in the clubs name. Or on the other hand if clubs want to maintain the 1959 and older cut off year, they need to change the ANTIQUE to PRE-HISTORIC in the clubs name to stay politically correct.



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OCMF

01-20-2006 12:07:10




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to POST 1960 PULLER, 01-20-2006 10:05:59  
What rule of thumb? Antique is a relative word and saying that anything that is 25 years old is an antique is arbitrary. Where do you get 25 years anyway? If that applied to tractors, why do most of the tractor clubs have 1958-60 cut off date? They have for years and have not changed it. That would be closer to 50 years. I know I can't register a car in this state unless it's at least 30 years old. Antique furniture dealers don't consider an item antique unless they are over 100 years old.

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2 Cylinder

01-18-2006 18:39:18




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
I for one would be in favor of creating a class for them, or mixing it up with the Antique"s and tractor"s built say from 1960-70 years in an open class. I have run an antique competitively for 20 years in antique and farm stock classes, but wasn"t willing/capable of sinking the big money into my antique to stay competitive when I could run competitively again with a new generation tractor for less money. Why are the antique guys so afraid of the newer tractors? We have had JD A"s and G"s that have won in the 8000# farmstock classes (30-40 tractors in the class) against 4020"s, 4010"s and other 60"s and newer tractors. It still comes down to the set up and driving the tractor. I would say that the new year tractors for the most part don"t have much if anything over the antiques as far as power. It would be an interesting class to run even if it were on a trial basis.

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tvman

01-18-2006 16:20:29




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
probably not a non turbo 4020 but a good gas 4010 running those 1000cubic inch engines could handle them hands down, seen it done. hear from you later



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docjoe

01-18-2006 17:58:48




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to tvman, 01-18-2006 16:20:29  
1000 cubes in a 404 block? got me curious. Still a long ways from 1350/1400



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docjoe

01-18-2006 15:56:38




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
You deere boys can't think that a non turbo 4020 can be built to run with the big minnies?



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Wayne Linsley

01-18-2006 15:00:18




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
here in conn,i pull with two different clubs.i run a oliver 88rc on a transfer sled and stoneboat/deadweight pulls.when i compete on the transfer sled,i pull against 560's,ac200,jd1650 turbo,etc.i usually place in the top 3.the club that uses a stoneboat,the cut off is 1959 unless you weight over 7500lbs.the club that has the trans/sled has2 different classes"farmstock" and "hotstock.both classes are any year,but farmstock is checked for factory rpm and equiptment.hotstock 3000rpm max/30.5x32max tire.i have also seen new generation pull against antique out here and you would be suprised who wins.thanks Wayne L.

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Patches

01-18-2006 20:39:10




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Wayne Linsley, 01-18-2006 15:00:18  
Where in Conn do you pull? I'm going back home this summer for a visit and may take my Super M with me. My family is in the Northwest part of the State.



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Wayne Linsley

01-20-2006 15:38:06




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Patches, 01-18-2006 20:39:10  
patches,i am from the town of northford,just south of durham.i have pulled with many clubs in conn,but mainly stay with cstpa.they have pulls all over conn.the club puts on a spring `ice breaker`in hebron conn.last year was the first year for our club using a transfer sled.previous we used a drop pan.have you pulled in conn before?if so,where?around here in conn,most clubs use a stoneboat/dead weight pull. where are you located?i was thinking about traveling to some other pulls this year.i just have to change my tire size.let me know if you would like any more info.thanks Wayne Lnsley.

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TvMan

01-18-2006 14:37:39




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
Hey G/man i agree the classes that are sowed up with molines they dont want are deeres in ther because they might have some competion from us deere boys. any comments????? ????? ??



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Patches

01-18-2006 20:40:20




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to TvMan , 01-18-2006 14:37:39  
Hey little buddy you know my thoughts on Deere's. Are you ready for this weekend?



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Bringthemon

01-18-2006 18:08:07




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to TvMan , 01-18-2006 14:37:39  
Last summer at Rankin IL. 10,000 open NA was won by a GB Moline against Oliver V-8s, IHC V-8s, 966s,4020s,and even a 5020.



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Fullpull

01-18-2006 10:52:20




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
Around here they pull them all together- antique and classic. Not much reason to have an antique, if the years go up guess we will pulling our G against 4020's and 806,s



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Jak

01-18-2006 10:08:02




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Post 1960 Puller, 01-18-2006 09:19:55  
Been wondering the same thing myself.Don't seem to be any discussion on the subject.The years keep going by and the cut off point stays at 1959????? ???



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mta puller

01-18-2006 13:19:09




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Jak, 01-18-2006 10:08:02  
ok so in due time a john deere A will pull against a stripped down 4010. get real here guys, the 57 rule is there to keep the modern advancements from ruining what is left of antique pulling, and that is why divisions are necessary to separte the rich guy with money to burn, vs. the average joe who takes grandads old M to see what it will do in a pull and when he gets his a$$ kicked, he can try to make improvements if he wants to or try to bump up divisions with potential hop ups. so you can have a IH M with 13.6 stock tires, oil dripping out of it, and should be competitive in div 1 or a IH M with a m-w kit and say 14.9 tires to be competitive in div 2 or a IH M with cut 16.9's with a bit tougher motor than an M-W kit, but still somewhat limited HP and speed for div 3, and then the IH M with a 540 cid baker motor or somthing like that with 18.4 cuts, no speed limit or at least faster than div 3, so all antiques have a place to pull.

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Jak

01-18-2006 13:39:38




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to mta puller, 01-18-2006 13:19:09  
Yes I understand about the year cut off limit but couldn't there be a year beginning to let the 60's era tractors have a place too?An A against a 4010 isn't realistically a fair match I would think.Of course there is the turboed tractors that would be entering the scene also changing things but there are supercharged tractors now in our age group(GM two stroke).



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G/MAN

01-18-2006 10:29:11




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Jak, 01-18-2006 10:08:02  
I've often wondered about that myself. You'd think that every year the year limit would have to raise by a year, or at the very least every few years. I'd be interesting to see some New Gen Deeres get into "antique" pulling. See a lot of guys complain about those slow old two-cylinders pulling, so why don't they vote to move the age limits up??



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Jak

01-18-2006 12:35:56




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2006 10:29:11  
Hey G/Man wouldn't it be neat seeing 3010's,4010',1600,1800 Ollies,and others of that era pulling against each other.Wheelie bars,weight brackets and correct drawbar height retrofitted onto them.It's gotta be coming sometime.



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G/MAN

01-18-2006 13:30:40




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Jak, 01-18-2006 12:35:56  
Well, you can see them pull in other classes, but not antiques, I guess. But I agree. It would be nice to see those tractors included. Look at how many farmers out there now didn't grow up on two-bangers, but started out on New Gens instead. Do you think some of the "powers that be" in various organizations don't really want '60-and-newer Deeres to be legal in the NATPA because they don't want the extra competition? Seems like there's a few makes and models that have Div V sewn up, and maybe they don't want anyone else coming along for the ride. Because you're sure going to see a lot of guys go to newer green iron if they become legal.

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POST 1960 PULLER

01-18-2006 18:56:54




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2006 13:30:40  
I for one would like to see how my antique stacks up against my new generation tractor. They seem to be fairly evenly matched when they compete against each other at the county fairs in farm stock classes. I wonder how the antique boys would like it if they were excluded from the farm stock classes. Why not open up a new class for the younger generations that did not grow up around what is now classified as antique. If you want the sport to continue, you need to allow the younger generations to pull with tractors they can identify with and grew up on.

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supermpuller

01-18-2006 16:40:35




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2006 13:30:40  
Let them in, I saw a hot MTA beat a 4020 at 8,000 lbs two different times, the guy with the 4020 is still shaking his head.



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G/MAN

01-19-2006 07:26:41




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to supermpuller, 01-18-2006 16:40:35  
Oh yes, that's going to happen every time at every pull. I saw an unstyled "G" bury a Super M pulling a plow one day, too.



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Too far Gone

01-20-2006 17:26:53




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to G/MAN, 01-19-2006 07:26:41  
Was the super M trying to pull that G out of the mudhole? lol!



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G/MAN

01-23-2006 15:18:38




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 Re: Clubs allowing Newer Tractors 06???? in reply to Too far Gone, 01-20-2006 17:26:53  
Nope, just pulling 3-14s right behind the Super M, and we ran up on him every pass, as we were switching drivers. Plowing 8 inches deep in rock-hard clay tiger-____ that had been in alfalfa. Supermpuller has never been interested in talking to any of the witnesses, of which there were many. He just keeps saying I'm full of it...



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