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jdjack

02-19-2006 06:29:01




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I bought a jd 620 that was sitting for a long time. I had the carb rebuilt by robets. Gas tank cleaned and sealed. It starts and runs good. I want to use it for farm work and some tractor pulling. What are some things that i can do to increase horsepower? Will porting and polishing hurt low rpm lugging power? Have heard people cutting baffle out in manifold. Is that on intake, exhaust or both? I am not intersted in stroking. Was also thinking about doing something with camshaft. Who does good cam work?
I don"t know if it has aluminum pistons, or if it bored over. If it isn"t, I was thinking about going .045 over. Any ideas or suggestions are appreciated, or e-mail me with some of those secrets.
Thanks JDJACK

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BushogPapa

02-19-2006 13:46:50




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to jdjack, 02-19-2006 06:29:01  
"LP" pistons for the 620/630 are Flat-tops...

Maybe you can find a power block with a 6" bore for your 620..that will give you about 360 cubic inches... The "30 & 30" series breathes better than earlier 2-Cylinder JD's, so that will make a huge difference in power (HorsePower), but the "G" has way more Cubic Inches and will have more "Grunt" at lower speed..

One word of caution...you should pull the Main Bearing caps and replace the seal on the oil delivery line, if you plan to really run it seriously hard...the rubber "cold-Flows" into the oil channel and can restrict oil flow to the Mains...

Ron.

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jdjack

02-19-2006 17:37:06




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to BushogPapa, 02-19-2006 13:46:50  
What is the seal on the oil dilevery line?
Is it on the line that goes the main bearings? who many seals are there? Have parts cd. Thanks for the help.



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BushogPapa

02-19-2006 18:43:44




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to jdjack, 02-19-2006 17:37:06  
The seal is like a flat "O" ring that is trapped between the Main bearing cap and the crankcase.. One on each main bearing, and it seals the oil-feed to the main bearing cap...both are flat surfaces, with a recess machined in the main Bearing cap, to hold the seal in position...nothing to prevent it from cold-flowing into the oil passage... Since the oil passage from the crankcase is threaded all the way through to the outside, I think it makes sense to thread a short brass tube into the threads, and slide the seal over it before the main Bearing cap is installed... Removing the Clutch-side bearing requires that you remove the clutch, and 1st reduction cover to get that bearing out... The last 630 I restored had a bad Rt Main and it didn't even make any noise...just the Rt Main Bearing seal was leaking oil into the transmission. The reason for that was that the main had about .040" clearance.. When I removed the main, I found the "O"ring had the oil passage completely Blocked..!! The Flywheel side had an opening no larger than a Pencil lead..!! These start out about 1/4" or larger in diameter...!! Anyone who says they have "rebuilt" one of these has NOT, unless these have been replaced..!!

Ron..

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BushogPapa

02-26-2006 13:18:49




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to BushogPapa, 02-19-2006 18:43:44  
Mechanical displacement is nice to figure, but the cam (valve ) timing dictates the actual amount compressed..!! It is much better to check the actual compression with a compression gage...and do it at different speeds.. With standard "Gas" pistons in your "A"..even though it is +.125, I doubt it will be over 6.1 to 1... That is good for about 40 HP at the drawbar...Plenty for 1st gear, and not running out of power.. Anything else and you will be spending a lot of money and loosing reliability for general farm work... Ron..

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JDJACK

02-19-2006 20:12:08




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to BushogPapa, 02-19-2006 18:43:44  
Is that seal a gasket? I am looking at parts picture. Not sure what parts you are talking about. I tried to post parts page on here, but having some problems. I am unable to e-mail for some reason. Will try later.



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BushogPapa

02-19-2006 20:28:38




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to JDJACK, 02-19-2006 20:12:08  
It is more like an "O" ring, or thick flat rubber washer... You will see the paper gasket in the parts book, but the seal (thick washer) is harder to find, but it is there... In my book, it is listed as #29 in the picture, listed as a Gasket..part number A 4847 R Page 15-6.... That is about all I can give you.!! Ron..



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JDJACK

02-20-2006 04:30:23




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to BushogPapa, 02-19-2006 20:28:38  
Thanks, I see what you are talking about now.



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JD hauler

02-19-2006 12:49:12




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to jdjack, 02-19-2006 06:29:01  
I have to think also that you are going to pull at a club that has rules and classes, if not, your done on even a warmed up 620, I really dont think you will have any problems with your 620 as long as your pulling in the div 1 or stock class, and the good thing is most of those tractors DLK spoke of are in at least div 2 or up. I am always in the "running " with our 620's. Have fun and try it out, you will learn fast what it will take.

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DSK

02-19-2006 08:49:25




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to jdjack, 02-19-2006 06:29:01  
The 620 is a good choice as for a good farm tractor of it's age. As for the pulling side of your question, it sounds like you're taking a casual approach to it, which is fine. I've been pulling 2-cyl. JD's for 24 yrs., and one thing I learned early on is that it's all about cubic inches.{cubic dollars?}.Your 620 in stock form displaces 302 cubic inches.JD achieved its 44 HP rating through improved design of the head,pistons and cam as well as increasing it's RPM to 1125 loaded speed. This setup worked well for farm use, but on the track it's a different story. You will be pulling the 620 at 6500lbs. + against JD G's, U Minnies and Farmall M's.The engine mods.you are talking about will not be enough to make a big differance. All things being equal, a JD G with .045 over M&W"s will outpull a 620 any day of the week, I've seen it time &again.I hope I did'nt burst your bubble Too much,the most important thing is to enjoy your 620 and have fun with it.

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jdjack

02-19-2006 08:29:35




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to jdjack, 02-19-2006 06:29:01  
What are lp pistons? Are they just aluminum pistons that are domed?



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jdhauler

02-19-2006 08:06:42




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 Re: 620 power. in reply to jdjack, 02-19-2006 06:29:01  
I would not open up the carb, that might be a good experiment with 600cid, but not for stock, use an LP manifold set, get a good multi angle valve job, if you bore it, get LP pistons, you can shave the deck some, or the head, just dont get carried away, most only take up to .080 off the head, just my reccomendation, make sure the distributor isnt loose inside or worn out, install electronic ignition to get rid of the points, no power gain here, but reliability will be gained, and yes a good cam will help, but honestly if your stock cam is good, it should get the job done just fine and leave the money for entry fees and gas, I have never stalled out my 620 yet. use 89 octane or better, you dont need any race gas for that motor. also can set you rocker arms a few thousands tighter than .020. and try to dyno it, adjust the carb and timing slightly and get it dialed in, you might find a spot that makes the most HP, but you might not like the way it acts for farm use, trial and error on that, good luck, hope this might help.

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