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990GM VS ANYTHING.

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Yes That GM can

04-01-2002 09:58:38

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what i know for sure is 1. Currently the supercharger is set loosely as just a fan to scavenge the exhaust, and it even has drain holes to let out spit oil. 2.the injectors in the stock setup are way small.
3.the engine is way underated, and detuned for longevity sake.
4. the entire design series needs to rev high to put out full power, its not a lugger. 5. This, like many things can change.
Get a set of 71 series injectors. set rack to maximum travel, and dial the injector heighth to maximum stroke. pull the supercharger apart and set it to bare minimum clearance, vane and end plate, same tolerance setup used in drag racing. pull air box drains, and install petcocks. there is no need to mill the head, its flat already. if anything you could cut the block and counterbores to increase compression. as far as fuel goes the heavier the better. the lower grades of fuel hold more torque then lighter grades do. dont cut it with kerosene or gas, your reducing the power.
and yes you can turbocharge it, i have read a few of the rule books and Voila!! that series engine is exempt, and Can be turbocharged, right into the old supercharger, same as the TA series. the sweet part is all this can be done to ANY of them, with no expensive millwork, or rare exotic pistons. in fact there are kits to rebuild the GM Toro-Flow line incredibly cheap in aftermarket. BUT>> the heads for a 3-53 are TOUGH to get. I also am pretty sure, that if you have the room you can drop in a 4-71, and really go play. WIsh i had a 99GM

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Don L. @ Rusty Acre

04-02-2002 17:16:20

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Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Yes That GM can whip your JD, if the owners want to play with it., 04-01-2002 09:58:38

My LA Case with a 4-71 takes on any and all. They say there is no substitution for cubic inches. I will put my 284 ci [4 times 71] up against anything around 10,500 lbs. Not bad for a tractor of IH 400 cubic inches with three bottom rating.
This old pig cures the inch for too much power.
Don L.

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G Taylor

04-03-2002 04:38:36

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Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Don L. @ Rusty Acre, 04-02-2002 17:16:20

Being a two stroke one could make a "case" (bad pun I know) for saying she's 8x71 cubes.

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oops forgot Rail Pressure

04-01-2002 10:10:11

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Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Yes That GM can whip your JD, if the owners want to play with it., 04-01-2002 09:58:38

I forgot an important item.. Rail pressure. the stock fuel pump may or may not be adjustable, depending on application, or it may have an external rail pressure valve. either way, you can tighten up the inside of that stock pump, or install a 92 series pump. you are going to want to play with the rail pressure, just set the rack to max fuel and adjust your pressure input accordingly. the higher your railpressure, the more fuel is squeezed into the cylinders per stroke. also those GM came stock with an ether injector system, should be easy enough to hold the button down i think. maybe someone could market propane in Ether cans.

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Watching

04-01-2002 15:34:13

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Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to oops forgot Rail Pressure, 04-01-2002 10:10:11

I`ve seen old Bob Rowe from Nottingham Pa with a 820 or 830 and a 730 beat GM diesels without any trouble and his Deeres are stock. Just ask Veron Horst or Bruce Wilhelm. Set up your tractor right and you can beat them too

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G-MAN

04-01-2002 10:48:09

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Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to oops forgot Rail Pressure, 04-01-2002 10:10:11

Sounds like a lot of work to go to just to try and beat an obsolete old John Deere. I'd rather have a nice stock old 830 that I could take to the field and play with than a maxed-out Oliver that is only good for pulling. I would like to see someone hit the ether while pulling down the track and melt down an engine, though. Then again, a one-pound can would be gone in about 10 seconds, so it really wouldn't matter. As far as that goes, I think the larger ether injection set-ups (like on a 3406 Cat in a truck) would probably take a propane cannister for a hand torch. Once again, who really cares. If winning is that important, go in the open divisions instead of sneaking around trying to beat stock tractors.

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Oliver Puller

04-01-2002 13:31:13

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Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-01-2002 10:48:09

A stock 990 will out pull almost any 830 or 820 even if they have been modified, thats a fact Jack. The only time they have a chance is on a poor track.

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A Man

04-06-2002 19:41:03

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Oliver Puller, 04-01-2002 13:31:13

990gm cant even beat the flies off themselfs much less beat a deere and that is a fact jack

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G-MAN

04-01-2002 14:03:54

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Oliver Puller, 04-01-2002 13:31:13

Like I said in my post, I could really care less about what pulls better. You keep your Olivers, I'll keep my Deeres, and we'll both be happy. The only thing I notice about some Oliver owners, is that they must have an inferiority complex, because they are constantly bragging about how good Olivers are. I don't see near as much of that with Deere owners, and I'm around them everyday, all day. Olivers are good old tractors - but I prefer Deeres. If you have a problem with that, I don't know what to tell you. Have a nice day. By the way, what is your email address?

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Reasons to run a 990

04-01-2002 14:01:30

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Oliver Puller, 04-01-2002 13:31:13

The detroit engine is easy to get parts for( at most detroit diesel dealers they are open 24 hours a day and most parts are on the shelf, no JD dealer can say that.)Another thing is a good stock Detroit will out pull the 2 cylinder, and go back to the field and do the farming. Another is the poor design of the big 2 cylinder wears the block and pistons out do to the lay down engine. No matter where you are, the crowd always wants to hear the Detroit pull. So what if you turn it up and something happens, they made millions of those motors. Where could you find a new 830 block? around $3-5000 proably? Take your pick then check the price of a 99 or 990 compared to the 830 or 820, the Oliver is always worth alot more.

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A Man

04-06-2002 19:46:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Reasons to run a 990, 04-01-2002 14:01:30

that isnt true jd you cant wear them out my pulling A and as far as parts jd are easy to get parts my A i use it in the field and that night go out pull the olivers all the time

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G-MAN

04-01-2002 14:13:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Reasons to run a 990, 04-01-2002 14:01:30

I can get parts 24 hours a day from Deere, I work at a dealership. I really can't imagine somebody going to their local DDC dealer to get an injector at 3 in the morning, so that argument is really pointless. And how many DDC dealerships do you see compared to Deere dealerships? As for the "poor design" you speak of, I have personally seen a 730 diesel with in excess of 9000 hours with no overhaul. Most inline engines wear the cylinders out of round also, due to the side thrust on the pistons during compression and power strokes, but you probably already knew that. As far as you preaching about Detroits, I really don't need to hear it. They are good engines - I've driven them, tuned them, and overhauled them. And it sure was fun finding properly fitting liners on the 8V-71 I overhauled, it only took 4 days to find ones that fit correctly. One question however, why did Oliver quit using them? Did they find something better? Seems odd that such a wonderful engine isn't still being used today.

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990 Are Great

04-01-2002 18:00:39

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-01-2002 14:13:11

A 730, 830 are known for the wear on the bottom side of the pistons and cylinder due to the engine laying down. As for Detroits being open all night if you were this great diesel mechanic you claim to be you would know that they have to be open 24 hours a day. I have never seen a JD store open at night. I can get any piece for a 371 tonight if need to be, can you even find someone who knows where an 830 block or internal part could even be located. As for being outdated I can purchase a new engine TONIGHT at 3 in the morning if I want to. That popper was out dated when it was made, much less now. You keep sniffing those exhaust fumes and someday you wont be able to argue on here with every post every night!

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A Man

04-07-2002 13:37:22

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to 990 Are Great, 04-01-2002 18:00:39

If the were so out dated why are so many are still in use and the company still in bussiness and oliver and many others went by the way side just go to show you olivers stink!!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !

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Slow A

04-02-2002 19:40:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to 990 Are Great, 04-01-2002 18:00:39

Well it could be that '990 are great' but you are not great. A,730,830 AND ALL HORIZONTAL John Deere engins wear the pistons and cylinders on the top. Read my lips t-o-p, thats right, top. How can anyone beleive anything you are running your mouth about when you do not know this basic fact.

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G Taylor

04-02-2002 01:00:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to 990 Are Great, 04-01-2002 18:00:39

If you knew anything about physics & calculated the stress vectors exerted in the x,y & z axis of the cylinder bore. You would rapidly note that the force of gravity is virtually nil compared to reciprocating forces. The wear issue an "old wives" tale repeated by people cranky that their pet brand has been bought out several times & the name is gone. While you can line up at a distant truck garage for DD engine parts I can order most two cylinder parts for the ENTIRE tractor at my local dealer. As for obsolete, the two cylinder diesels set efficiency & torque rise records in the 1950's that are still rarely exceeded by computer controlled turbo diesels of 2002. The two cylinders had PS,live pto, multiple hydraulics, float ride seat, full instrumentation and more..... just like today's tractors. Plus the cool Harley sound rather than the literally deafening DD howl. When was the last time you heard of a JD two cylinder having a runaway?

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A Man

04-07-2002 10:52:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 01:00:33

Run away gm need to order parts 24/7 john deere just keeps running and dont need to work on them give up general mess you a loser on the track

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Jason

04-02-2002 05:33:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 01:00:33

G Taylor I think you had better revist that live PTO issue, Hart-Parr had that before anyone. When 77s and 88s came out JD did NOT have live PTO or live Hydraulics. I could care less about the color war but get your facts straight. I dont think no JD set any engine efficency records either. I have the experience to back up what I say. I have been working on late model diesels for GM 12+ years now. You guys need to post some knowledge that everone can use!!!!

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G Taylor

04-02-2002 06:08:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Jason, 04-02-2002 05:33:21

I didn't say when two cylinder had the options, only that they did. Jason you seen to be unaware of the history of the company who helped bury HP,MM,Oliver,Cockshutt,White and who ever they are today.Live pto option started in some JD models in 1952 model year. PS late in the 1954 model year. The R,70,80,720, all all set fuel efficiency records at Nebraska that beat everyone else at the time. The two cylinder production in the US continued into 61 with 730's for export, 62 with 840's. 445's & 730's were built in South America until 1970.

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Jason

04-02-2002 11:33:22

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 06:08:56

Well the 88 came out in 1948 with live hydraulics and live pto.

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A.P.

04-02-2002 14:42:52

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Jason, 04-02-2002 11:33:22

Actually it was one year earlier, the Oliver 88 was first sold in 1947. The 1947 and early 1948 models had the early style 60/70 nose/grill inserts.

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A.P.

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G Taylor

04-02-2002 12:49:13

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Jason, 04-02-2002 11:33:22

JD let cheapskates order tractors into the 1960 production year with tranmission driven & even no pto, no PS,no three point hitch & steel wheels. Whay are obsolete JD's still commanding top prices today? Deere still has live accessories while Oliver isn't even a company.

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Jason

04-02-2002 19:12:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 12:49:13

G Taylor your are a joke and I dont enjoy any of your post!! Take your JD and shove it up your A$$ why dont you and G man go back to the JD board and blow your smoke up someone elses A$$!! I think your full of shi!!

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G Taylor

04-03-2002 04:43:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Jason, 04-02-2002 19:12:46

I see your decisions are made with emotions rather than fact. When cornered you resort to off topics & name calling. Ever thought of some politically correct vocation or politics. Your astounding imagination & literary skills are a something to admire.

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smoker

04-02-2002 19:19:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Jason, 04-02-2002 19:12:46

Testosterone levels are getting dangerously high here. Time to turn off the PC :-)

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Slow A

04-02-2002 19:52:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to smoker , 04-02-2002 19:19:42

When you are wrong and you know it, just go back to your old argument- my Daddy can beat up your Daddy

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TimC

04-03-2002 20:03:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Slow A, 04-02-2002 19:52:46

ROFLM butt O

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A Man

04-07-2002 13:40:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to TimC, 04-03-2002 20:03:50

now now kids play nice

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Tim

04-02-2002 06:39:37

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 06:08:56

At least oliver mm and cockshutt never had to seal their ideas like John Deere did. At least Oliver still holds the efficiency record for fuel usage.

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G Taylor .which Oliver holds the fuel efficicy record?

04-02-2002 08:12:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Tim, 04-02-2002 06:39:37

What model of Oliver holds/held the Nebraska fuel record?

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ever heard of

04-02-2002 11:41:34

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor .which Oliver holds the fuel efficicy record?, 04-02-2002 08:12:29

the Oliver XO-121? 12:1 compression ratio in a diesel block. As fuel efficient as a diesel with more power.

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G-MAN

04-02-2002 12:23:57

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to ever heard of, 04-02-2002 11:41:34

What Nebraska test 3 was that? I'd like to look it up in my book. If an Oliver really holds that record, I'm interested in knowing the details.

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A Man

04-07-2002 13:43:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-02-2002 12:23:57

it was the BFE test ha ha ha

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A Man

04-07-2002 13:43:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-02-2002 12:23:57

it was the BFE test ha ha ha

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G-MAN

04-02-2002 07:15:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Tim, 04-02-2002 06:39:37

Seems like this vast knowledge you claim to possess in limited to Olivers and Detroits. Only valuable to people with Detroit-powered Olivers, wouldn't you say? At least John Deere still exists, can't say much about that, can you?

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G-Man

04-02-2002 08:11:25

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-02-2002 07:15:36

I think your great knowledge is center around making JD somethnig their not. I can care less who exist now, I think we are all still aware of that. Waterloo boy is gone and that is who made JD engines. Agco annual sales are equal to and greater the JD some years. As far as the guy who posted the Detroit thing YOU guys told him they were outdated, if they are out dated why can you still get parts anytime of the day or night? I have never seen an 830 block on the shelf at our local JD!! Go start a color war some where else G Taylor and G-man.

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G-MAN

04-02-2002 12:22:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-Man , 04-02-2002 08:11:25

I never said once that Detroits were outdated? Do you guys even read the posts - at least past the first sentence? Or do you just automatically assume that anyone who dares to question something you say has to be the enemy? Man I have never seen so many blind people in one place. I retract everything I said about Olivers and Detroits being good tractors/engines. Oh, but you probably didn't get that far in any of my posts, did you. As far as highly modifying tractors goes, I wouldn't do it with any brand, Deere, Oliver, any of them. That's not what I'm into. My original post stated that I would like to have a stock 830 to work in the field and pull also. I could care less if a 990 Oliver could drag it around sideways and upside-down. I DON'T CARE! What part of this are you idiots not understanding? The more I try to set things right with you, the more crap I get about it. I'm tired of trying to be nice to people who don't even bother to do the same. OLIVERS AND DETROITS SUCK! There, now at least you have something legitimate to complain about.

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G-MAN

04-01-2002 19:15:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to 990 Are Great, 04-01-2002 18:00:39

Okay, I've worked on Deere, IH, New Holland-Ford, Versatile, Cummins, and CAT. What do you want to talk about expert? At least I have the experience to back up what I say, do you? And by the way, if one of our customers called at 3 in the morning and wanted parts, we would go get the parts. In case you forget, Deere used Detroits too, in the 435 and 8010/8020. I have been nothing but polite to you, and all you have been is an idiot. Get over yourself already.

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smoker

04-01-2002 19:10:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to 990 Are Great, 04-01-2002 18:00:39

What is the big deal with all night parts stores? There is a reason for all night stores. Trucks are driven on the road all night. That is part of the plan. If farming with John Deeres was a typical all night occupation, then, yes, there would be all night JD parts stores open. However, way back, it became kinda common for farmers to make their living in the day, thus, they bought parts during the day if they needed them. If a tractor of mine(I farm with many colors) breaks down during the day, I don't wait until 3 a.m. to go get parts. All night stores is a useless argument. It really aches someone at my young age to see worthless topics like this come from older tractor buffs. I thought this board was for information on a topic that we all have in common; collecting and/or using antique tractors. Are we all really that different? We are here because we like old iron. Why should color become a pissing match for so many? Can someone give me a mature grown up reason as to why it is fit to rub in about how great you think your tractor is and then comeback and be a smarta$$ when somebody rains on your parade? We are supposed to feel like kids when we get the thrill of firing our old tractors up. That should be where it stops though. On a side note, I am restoring a JD R. However, I am dying to get a hold of the Farmall 560D that is rusting away in my uncles yard. I would love to have a big old Oliver with that distinct Detroit sound. They are all interesting, but they are not worth enough to go out and make enemies with someone who has the same interests as you and is probably not too different than you are. Nicholas

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Joe Smith

04-29-2005 14:26:27

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G-MAN

04-01-2002 19:16:26

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to smoker , 04-01-2002 19:10:40

Well said, Smoker.

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A.P.

04-01-2002 17:00:33

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-01-2002 14:13:11

It seems a bit odd that you would choose to criticize any engine for not being in current production. Especially when you are defending a two cylinder engine that has been out of production for almost 45 years. There are Detroit two cycle engines still in everyday common use today. They are used in boats, construction equipment, big rigs, etc. Next time pick on the noise at least they are unarguably loud.

Give relatively stock to stock tractors it will be a close contest. Heavily modified its likely to be a different story.

Take care,
A.P.

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G-MAN

04-01-2002 19:24:43

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to A.P., 04-01-2002 17:00:33

Did I not say in my post that Detroits are good engines? Did I not say that Olivers are good tractors? Go back and re-read, you might be surprised at what you find. There are also a lot of two-cylinders still in daily use. I though that this was a DISCUSSION board, not a place to rip on a specific brand of tractor. Why is it that the Oliver guys aren't ripping on IH, Case, or Massey?
I think it comes down to plain jealousy. John Deere is the only company that is still independent, and a lot of people can't deal with that, I guess. Does anybody want to have an intelligent discussion with someone that likes ALL old tractors, and not just the type they own? Email me if you do, otherwise get a life.

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Tim

04-02-2002 06:44:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-01-2002 19:24:43

They don't ripp on them because they don't brag about how that their tractor is the greatest and act like their tractor company was the only one ever built. Back then Farmall sold way for tractos then JD because they made more and sold more.

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A.P.

04-02-2002 01:36:16

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-01-2002 19:24:43

This thread started with someone outlining how relatively easy and cheap it was to modify a Detroit Diesel powered tractor. In this case it was an Oliver. Those posts never mentioned another brand. Still people with other color(s?) tractors started taking pot shots at the posts.

The big Oliver's and Deere's of that period are tough pulling machines and were/are real workhorses in the field. I love to see stock or equally modified tractors pulling against each other.

Take care,
A.P.

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G-MAN

04-02-2002 07:18:41

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to A.P., 04-02-2002 01:36:16

I believe the subject line of that first post was "Yes, that GM can whip your Deere". Was it not? Or is this some more of your selective comprhension in action.

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A.P.

04-02-2002 14:52:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-02-2002 07:18:41

Sorry, you are rightabout the header/title. I was looking through the text of the original posts not the header/title.

I do have to say the classic/antique pulls would be/are real boring when there isn't any variety to the tractors entered. Let's take it out on the track. That's a lot more fun anyway, win or lose.

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A.P.

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deere57

04-01-2002 22:07:48

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-01-2002 19:24:43

i swear you are the one draggin this argument on. The 990 guy was just tryin to make a few points about his oliver and you have to take it out of hand. G-man you are the one that needs to get a life. and why must you bring all the other brands in to it. i am a deere guy, but if i recall deere maybe independent but they lost more money last quarter then any of the others. And oliver which is now agco made the most money. so dont make idiotic comparisons. So lay off.

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G-MAN

04-02-2002 07:21:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to deere57, 04-01-2002 22:07:48

Actually, I was engaging in a discussion about Detroits, with which I have some experience. About all I heard back was how much greater Olivers are than Deeres, and Detroits too? Does this sound real fair to you? I don't think I downgraded Olivers or Detroits in any of my post, unlike some others. Why don't you check the facts before you embarass yourself further.

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Tim Konowski

04-02-2002 06:47:14

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to deere57, 04-01-2002 22:07:48

Right on. Thats telling them.

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G Taylor

04-01-2002 11:14:34

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Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-01-2002 10:48:09

I assume that is a 3-71 not a 4-53? Both were used in Case & Massey's. Fuel isn't compressable. As long as there is enough pump pressure to fill the injectors before the next stroke, more pressure won't help. Four valve 53 series are easy enough to find, don't know about 71's but a four cylinder head could be cut & welded to fit. A 71 series can have the blower set at three different speeds depending on the drive gear used. With a straight exhaust & a large dry airfilter a 53 series gets overfueled with larger than N50 & 71 series with N70's. The engine needs oxygen, not displacing intake air with gaseous fuel. Nitrous is what you need with larger injectors. A blower rebuild with new improved oil seals is required to reduce the chance of a run-away with people getting maimed or killed. All this is a mute point as power without traction & weight balance is "like telling a hair raising story to a bald man".

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G-MAN

04-01-2002 14:15:17

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Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-01-2002 11:14:34

Don't confuse this argument by bringing in facts, G. These Oliver guys sure are touchy, aren't they. I thought everybody was free to pull what they liked, but I guess I've been misguided.

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Hot Rod

04-01-2002 15:01:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G-MAN, 04-01-2002 14:15:17

Well gentlemen I don't know what all controversy is. I have been pulling an 830 Deere in our local club for 4 years now. I farmed with this tractor for 21 years. I have never touched the engine. It has pulled against all the colors. It has only gone home once without a trophy in 4 years and that was my fault. I mis-judged the track. There has never been an Oliver that came close to whipping this tractor. The only colors that have taken first place away from this one were Green and Yellow, Red, and Orange.
I guess that is clear enough for me.

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G Taylor ...screaming Jimmy

04-02-2002 00:40:20

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Hot Rod, 04-01-2002 15:01:24

While I'm a JD fan,owner & competitor, the GM diesel is either a love or hate item coomon wiht my 435. Thought a little advice would save the new kid some trouble & $$$. The R though 840 were made to pull. I can't wait to get the 840 project done & clean up in the 12,000 & 12,500 classes.

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Jason

04-02-2002 06:56:21

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor ...screaming Jimmy, 04-02-2002 00:40:20

Thats not even a real farm tractor, I can find alot bigger earth movers with some REALLY big detroits in them. Lets get real.

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G Taylor

04-02-2002 08:18:04

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Jason, 04-02-2002 06:56:21

The 840 was an industrial tractor sold with or without the elevating scraper. Many were used to pull industrial/construction drawbar loads, no scraper. Pto & hydraulic power was also available. What's wrong with the 840 being the last & final version of the r,80,820,830,830I ? I have a turbine engine/generator that puts out more power than yours if this what it comes down to.

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Jason to G Taylor

04-02-2002 10:44:40

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 08:18:04

You are the one that brought in a discussion on earth movers, when the discussion was on farm tractors. I have seen many 1900s which were a replacement for the 990s on scrapers. So its not about the engine, your the one who got off on something else!

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G Taylor

04-02-2002 12:55:23

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to Jason to G Taylor, 04-02-2002 10:44:40

Read it again. An 840 tractor, not a 840 earth mover. The scraper was an optional accessory, just the same way a manure spreader behind your Oliver doesn't make it a honey wagon. Then again.....?

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A Man

04-09-2002 19:33:42

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 12:55:23

Well the smell about the same that is what they make oliver paint from

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840s G Taylor Your soooo smart!!!! not

04-02-2002 19:17:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 12:55:23

that 840 is the most ugly tractor (really a earth mover) that I have ever seen!! no wonder they sold them over seas. Another PUTT PUTT, it was a real joke compared to a detroit!!!

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A Man

04-09-2002 19:37:52

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to 840s G Taylor Your soooo smart!!!! not, 04-02-2002 19:17:44

little jealousy in that remark just an oliver wanting to be a jd

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G Taylor

04-03-2002 04:45:29

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to 840s G Taylor Your soooo smart!!!! not, 04-02-2002 19:17:44

Lets look at collector value of something Detroit powered from that era & a 840?

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A.P.

04-02-2002 01:15:44

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor ...screaming Jimmy, 04-02-2002 00:40:20

Ok you got me. What is an 840? Two 820's in a tandem hitch? Seriously, I am curious and would like to know.

Take care,
A.P.

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G Taylor

04-02-2002 06:13:08

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to A.P., 04-02-2002 01:15:44

Link I agree this thread ran off the rails into a colour war, it was supposed to helping a fellow screaming Jimmy owner.

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G-MAN

04-02-2002 07:54:10

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to G Taylor , 04-02-2002 06:13:08

I agree G Taylor, this got way out of hand. I apologize to anyone I may have offended. I guess I'll retreat to the sanity and sanctity of the John Deere board. At least a guy can express his opinion there. Once again, sorry for all the trouble.

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fordson29

04-02-2002 06:11:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 990GM VS ANYTHING. in reply to A.P., 04-02-2002 01:15:44

A 840 is an industrial 830. Most were used to pull pans or were pans.

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