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Farmall M 4000lbs ?

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Oak

06-28-2006 17:35:37




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Any One know if Farmall M can be Lightened to 4000 with Driver? If so what is involved? Thanks




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Oak

06-29-2006 18:27:49




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Oak, 06-28-2006 17:35:37  
Well I can see I have touched a nerve with Some. But It was just a question. I have a 3500 Div 2 1939 Farmall H that I built from a fence row all myself and I am very happy with it, but a lot of Tractors that are pulling Div 2 are in fact Div 3 Tractors. I Would stay within the Rules but do not want to spend any more on My H,I thought That My Stock unbuilt 39 M Could be Lightened to pull 4000 Div3 and not Div 2 in fact in the club I pull with the 4000lb class is Div 3 only. I would like to build a Larger Tractor but Maybe I will Move up To Altered Farm Stock, But it was only a Qustion not an Intention. But the Fact is Why go if you have no Chance of Winning.

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ChadS

06-30-2006 05:29:40




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Oak, 06-29-2006 18:27:49  
If the rules say you can do something like what your asking, then by all means do so. Worst case scenario would be that you wake things up in the classes you put the M into. I dont think it would belong in a div 2 class at that weight, considering the amount of alterations. Think about it, if your goal is to run 4000,, you have to get the M lighter than 4000 to make the class,, so your looking at going more than originaly planned. Safe parts are a must. I take it, that you like to run the lighter classes, and you have a tractor pulling against you that needs a lesson dont it? I built a 460 to get into 3500 to run with Olivers that run 77 frames with 310's and call em 88's. Lots of work to do that,,, alot less than it would be to put in a 301 or bigger 6 cyl in a M, or H rear end, disguise it as a newer tractor and spend alot less time and money and have a strong puller. If the rules say you can do it, then do it! Chad

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B-maniac

06-29-2006 13:57:22




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Oak, 06-28-2006 17:35:37  
Easy boys! So far,he's just askin'. Some think they just have to do it.Maybe he will be one of the smarter ones and use his mechanical expertise and a video camera to be competitive instead.Tractor pulling isn't rocket science.IF everything else was EQUAL,(not even close) then maybe having the weight placement options of a lighter weight tractor MIGHT help a little. There are so many other more helpfull thing you can do that stripping weight should be one of the last.Video is priceless,not only can it tell you what you are doing wrong,but also what someone else is doing RIGHT!!

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Flyin Farmall

06-29-2006 12:07:09




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Oak, 06-28-2006 17:35:37  
400 pounds with a driver is not too hard.Use an early M,mine is 4300 with 18.4x34 tires,with 200 # driver,and the only aluminum is the seat post.With aluminum,it would be a walk in the park.3300 must have took some imagination though.



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85_Ranger4x4

06-29-2006 10:20:40




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Oak, 06-28-2006 17:35:37  
I have to ask why also, usually when they are stripped that light they are helpless in their lightest class or two because they have no weight where they need it, regardless of color. It might help him in the 4500-5000 lb class but I think they 4000 would be a waste of money to enter.



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85_Ranger4x4

06-29-2006 10:20:37




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Oak, 06-28-2006 17:35:37  
I have to ask why also, usually when they are stripped that light they are helpless in their lightest class or two because they have no weight where they need it, regardless of color. It might help him in the 4500-5000 lb class but I think they 4000 would be a waste of money to enter.



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WHY?

06-29-2006 06:55:32




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Oak, 06-28-2006 17:35:37  
I haveto ask why? Are you going to take the big M and whip up on some really big 8N Fords or is it those B John Deere's You are after? I really enjoy seeing tractors like your M get there axx whipped in classes they don't belong? Maybe some other chicken xhit will lighten up an Oliver 88 so you will have some equal coward competition. What a JOKE!!



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Oak

06-30-2006 03:28:48




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to WHY?, 06-29-2006 06:55:32  
I have a John Deere B That I pull in Div2 and it is not even close in pulling ability compared to Farmalls and Allis also I am the only Deere in 3500lb class and never a Ford. The JD would have to Take untold time and money to compete. It is going down the road, Someone will most likely put it back to stock exaust and tires and pull in div1 and will do well I think. So if my tractor is not competitive in a class, I have to put someting together that is.

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Lamont

06-29-2006 07:24:56




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to WHY?, 06-29-2006 06:55:32  
I don't figure it's 8N Fords or John Deere Bs his gunnin' for with a 4000 lb. M Farmall. It's probably speed, 8 to 12 MPH, maybe even more that he's looking at. You know, the classes you RARELY see any type of John Deere putt-putt in. Why ask WHY? If he wants to try to build a 4000 lb. M, that's his prerogative, just as if you wanted to build a 950 cubic inch John Deere G. If you're going to ask why, why would someone want to build a Deere approaching 1000 cubes for a 4 MPH class when most of the other brand tractors are between 300 and 400 cubic inches? It's called winning with your favorite brand. Give him a break. He's doing nothing different than the rest of us.

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That's Why

06-29-2006 08:50:41




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Lamont, 06-29-2006 07:24:56  
Your right, that's why you see 3 or 4 or even sometimes 5 tractors in those type of classes. Have you seen the numbers or turn out at any of the NATPA or USAP pulls this last year. These type of classes are dead. Goes to show more people rather pull true antique tractors than see who can butcher and spend the most money to win. Then being these type of tractors have no others to pull against guess where they go pull next? In classes they do not belong. I am truly impressed!! It's a free world they can make there mark and waste there money any way they choose. The part I don't get is if people want to spend this kind of effort and money why don't they just go build themselves a diesel with a turbo for less and go much faster? The answer to that question the way I see it is they do not want any competition!

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Stud

06-30-2006 17:52:27




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to That's Why, 06-29-2006 08:50:41  
If you can play with the big dogs, quit your whining baby!!



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supermpuller

06-29-2006 12:55:45




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to That's Why, 06-29-2006 08:50:41  
If you want to pull with parade tractors go ahead, div. 1 is just for you, Get your head out of the dirt and look around, there are a lot of div. 4 tractors pulling, and they are fun to watch,its not for everyone but its there money.



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massey333

06-29-2006 17:50:58




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to supermpuller, 06-29-2006 12:55:45  
You are right,it is their money,but one or two BIG MONEY Div,4 tractors are killing DIV.4.The ones that won't hock their wife,kids,homes are now moving to DIV.3 or even DIV.2 and RUINING it for everybody,causing people to leave altogether.There is nothing wrong with a 4000 lbs.M&W M,Massey 44,Oliver88,ETC.in DIV.2-3,seen it for years,but when these 450-550 CID tractors start pulling as STOCK,then the stock people start LEAVING and the Clubs that were having 100-150 Hooks start having 30-50 Hooks THAT IS THE END.I see by the Flyers some clubs are droping DIV.4 Totaly.I started pulling in 1955 and have seen this CYCLE at least 3 or 4 times since then.YES I pull DIV.2 and a little DIV.3,and enjoy watching DIV.4-5,BUT HAVE ALSO SEEN HOMES-FAMILYS LOST BECAUSE OF TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH PULLING "JONES".Sorry for the Rant,but THE GOLDEN GOOSE IS GETTING KILLED FOLKS.

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Gary Baker

06-28-2006 18:47:31




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Oak, 06-28-2006 17:35:37  
I helped Tomac's from Michigan lighten up an 'M' to 3300 lbs with 160 lb driver. So it can be done.



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Jak

06-29-2006 12:20:01




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Gary Baker, 06-28-2006 18:47:31  
I seen him one year at Tunica stripped down and that M looked like a wild ride,lots of speed and the front end was up in the air a bunch.He was pulling against a B JD called Yellow Jacket(Dave Wickman).I believe it was the 3500 lb class maybe.



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LW

06-28-2006 20:06:24




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 Re: Farmall M 4000lbs ? in reply to Gary Baker, 06-28-2006 18:47:31  
Wow now thats light I had seen a few at around 3700 with driver but 3300 there cant be any thing "extra"



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