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560 carb (chads)

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stock560

12-05-2006 20:01:01




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I have found numerous posts stating all the things to do to the H-450 carb, but nothing for the 460/560. I have a stock 560 and am looking to rebuild the carb and would like to know what modifications can be done. Again motor is stock, but will be running a few extra RPM's with a 715 combine spring and lightened weights ~2500rpm. If someone could provide the excellant "play-by-play" like Chads does for the 4cyl carb, that would be great. Thanks.

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ChadS

12-06-2006 10:22:28




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 Re: 560 carb (chads) in reply to stock560, 12-05-2006 20:01:01  
The proceedure is pretty much the same,,, but there is a difference in the 4 cyl bowls and the 6 cyl bowls,,,, its mainly the metering stem. Its a larger stem, so it lets more fuel in without modifying the stem,, mostly is opening up the main jet enough to almost flood the engine just like what 460/560 mentioned. I know on my 460H, I had to go up 10 bit sizes just to get even close to that stage with a manual main load adjustment. BUUUUT,,,,, ,,, Before you go building the carb,,,, go thru and modify the governor first. I useds the combine governor housing which is a single arm governor, the tractors had a 2 lever setup with a spring, the guts are from a C-200 IH gas engine. The weights are smaller so its just like machining off the material on the combine/tractor weights. made a world of difference in the throttle responce and low end power cause that carb is open to what ever position I hold it to. Once the governor is built, move to the ignition,,, put in lighter springs in the mechanical advance (located under the points plate) in the distributor. Fix whatever you find wrong in this area, cause they are usually broke, or stuck, or just floating around loose in there, which can affect timing, it wont be steady, it will be erratic. Pull the cap off and snap the rotor with your hand,,, if its loose or dont return from full advance, back to the stop,,, somethings wrong!! Lighter springs in the advance will help even more with throttle responce and thru out the power band of the engine. Stiffer governor spring is a must, just tune the rpm to whatever you want to run. On the venturi size,,,, just depends on what rpm range you choose,,,, The big 35 is perfect for high rpm (3000 and up) but can suffer on the low end torque when it drops below 2500rpm,,, a 33 or even a 29 will help low end torque, and still be able to rev it up a bit and not lose so much low end power. I chose a #27 in my carb,,,, on the dyno, its where I found the best 540 HP, and best low end power when its lugged way down. But, I got a 263,,, if it was a 301, I may use a 29 or a 33, I run about 3200 max,,, Once the carb is rejetted bigger, you will find that it will start alot easier with out choking it so hard,,, Run good gas!!!! high octane,,, minimum of 93. Chad

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460/560

12-06-2006 06:32:06




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 Re: 560 carb (chads) in reply to stock560, 12-05-2006 20:01:01  
We pull a 460 with a 301 and all we did was drill out the jet just a little. We also use the #35 venturi. We used a small buffer wheel to open it up just a little more, nothing drastic. It still restricts flow enough to serve its purpose. With the jet drilled out, we can get more fuel through it than we can burn if we want. It seems to work good for us. We can lean it down enough to pull stock rpm"s or open it up to about 3500 if we want. I also lightened the governor springs and drilled a higher hole on the gov. arm so that the spring tighter. This makes the motor very responsive and it hangs in there good.

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stock560

12-06-2006 07:04:27




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 Re: 560 carb (chads) in reply to 460/560, 12-06-2006 06:32:06  
Can you expand more on the governor spring? To quote "lighted the governor springs"....I thought the heavier/stiffer springs added RPM (lightened springs?), also how many springs are there? I thought the only one that needed to be swaped was the spring attached from the governor arm to carb. I'm not trying to critque, just want to learn from other's trials and errors to save myself time. Here is my plan....rebuild the governor to ensure proper funtioning and lighting the goervnor weights w/ new stock 560 spring, check RPM. IF more RPM is needed (or desired)....change to a 715 combine spring. Should be tearing into the tractor yet this year:) Thanks.

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460/560

12-06-2006 08:07:01




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 Re: 560 carb (chads) in reply to stock560, 12-06-2006 07:04:27  
Sorry about that typo, I lightened the gov. weights(about 35 grams). You are right, heavier springs add rpm. There is only 1 spring. There are 2 types of linkage assemblies. One is a straight rod going from the carb to the gov. arm. This rod has a spring around it that hooks to the arm. The other type is a seperate lever that mounts to a bracket on the back of the gov. The throttle linkage hooks to this lever.The spring also hooks to this lever and goes up to the gov arm. I drilled a higher hole in the gov arm for this spring so it will make the spring tighter, in effect making it a "heavier" spring. All this is done to the 715 gov. There is a small stopper bolt on the bracket for the second type that the arm hits on to control max rpm. With this screwed out all the way, I can get as many rpm"s as I want. I hope this is clear enough to understand. Which type of linkage do you have?

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