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Tom Isenhart

04-28-2002 09:14:52

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I'm fliping through the HOOK Mag. and come across the article for the NATPA qualifier in Ogallala NE. scaning the class results I find a 1960 JD 730 placed in Div 2 9500# class. Here come's the question, How can a 1960 tractor pull in a class with an age limit of 1957 or older. Seem's to be a double standard, I was told I con't pull my 560 IH in div 2 because it was to new.

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DuaneW Oh

04-30-2002 19:36:34

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Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-28-2002 09:14:52

Not a puller but... why is the oliver 880 banned when it is simply an extension of the s88 model? Must be the 7 main motor worries'em huh? Yes I am partial to oliver, but I do like all old tractors. If people didnt do so darned much cheating, then we wouldnt have so many hard-to-figure rules would we. Duane W.

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when did the 880 come with a 7 main from factory?

05-01-2002 06:22:39

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Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to DuaneW Oh, 04-30-2002 19:36:34

What an Oliver man you are??? Telling people about 880's "must be scared of the 7 main"?!? Come on!!

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Greg H.

04-29-2002 10:00:17

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Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-28-2002 09:14:52

Why doesn't tractor pulling update with the times. I can remember as far back as 20 years ago antique tractors that pulled being everything older than 57-or 59 models, depending on organization, or where you pulled. That's been 20 years. Most of these tractors are all over 40 years old, and probobly most over 50. My thought is why not update the antique class into everything prior to 1970. You could have Turbo and Non-Turbo classes, but other than that the same rules and divisions could apply, and everyone would still be pulling with tractors that are over 30 years old. It might open up the sport alittle bit. I'd bet money that the classes lighter than 7,500 would still be dominated by the same model tractors that dominate them currently. One wouldn't see the newer tractors with any advantage that I could see until you got into the heavy weights. Just something to think of Later on, Greg H.

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randall

04-28-2002 17:31:58

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Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-28-2002 09:14:52

i agree the 560 should beable to but like you said that a 730 with 720 hood that isnt possibile beacuse the 720 has sraight hood all the way and the 730 has a slalnt for the sterring

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Disturbed 1066

04-28-2002 12:56:53

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Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-28-2002 09:14:52

They don't want to get beat with their slow JD's come on Tom I thought you knew JD guy's after pulling with Lakeshore this long. Did you find a 301 yet or what. Hahaha

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Tom Isenhart

04-29-2002 18:33:31

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Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Disturbed 1066, 04-28-2002 12:56:53

No not yet but i have line on one north of Dorr, is somewhat on the back burner I found a Cockshutt
50 for a project no one can say it's not old enough like they do the 560. You pulling at P-ville this week end?

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Disturbed 1066

04-30-2002 03:38:51

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-29-2002 18:33:31

I don't know yet if its going to rain before probably be there. If not got to plant corn. Talk to ya later. Rob

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WINNER

04-28-2002 10:11:46

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Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-28-2002 09:14:52

Go to NATPA page and read first line of DIV II rules!!!
Tractors 1957 and older or tractors that started production in 1957.
You 560 started in 1958, sorry

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Tom Isenhart

04-29-2002 18:36:20

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Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to WINNER, 04-28-2002 10:11:46

The 730 JD started in 1958 also 720 JD were 1957

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Wheels

04-28-2002 13:57:51

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Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to WINNER, 04-28-2002 10:11:46

Hey Winner,

According to the serial number guide listed on the side of this very website the 730 started production in 1958, the same year as the 560. That would make it too new also.

I believe some people claim that the 730 is a 720 with different tinwork. It has been argued about on this page before. Using that logic, the 656 should be allowed when anything 1959 and older is allowed, its a 560 (D282 and 5 speed tranmission with TA) in newer tinwork.

Wheels

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Tom Isenhart

04-29-2002 18:44:37

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Wheels, 04-28-2002 13:57:51

Like I said double standard, a 730 is completly diferent model, the 70 and 720 were the same. with the logic their using I could build a 706 for open class. this stirs a new question why 2 diferent years in the rules? all 1959 or all 1957 then there's no fights over is it is it not.

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G-MAN

04-30-2002 07:47:02

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-29-2002 18:44:37

Better check your facts, Tom. 720s and 730s are basically the same tractor, with the only real differences being in the steering shaft and dash, and some other non-powertrain related parts. 70s are completely different - different block, crank and so on. Just go to your local JD dealer and have them pull up a 720 or 730 on EPC - they're listed under the same heading.

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Tom Isenhart

04-30-2002 16:17:16

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to G-MAN, 04-30-2002 07:47:02

IT still comes back to how you look at the rules dosn't it. If we go down the road that direction then it should be possible to build a 706 IH for Div 5 because its just a 560 with new sheet metal like everyone is say a 730 even though to new by year for Div 2 is just a 720 with new sheet metal

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Yeh, and my 8950 Magnum is an extension too!

05-01-2002 06:24:06

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-30-2002 16:17:16

Where do you draw the line on "extensions" then? Pick a model and pull it!!

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G-MAN

04-30-2002 16:52:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Tom Isenhart, 04-30-2002 16:17:16

I certainly have no problem with anyone pulling a 706. Like I said, let's bump the year up some, and let em go at it. How long has the year been 1957?
I don't know the answer to that question, but it seems to me that it's been there for a long time. Seems like it should move up 1 year every year, or at least every two or three, wouldn't you say? To be honest, I don't even belong to the NATPA, and I have no intentions of joining, for the very reason that all it seems to be is a big us vs. them thing regardless of what color tractor anyone pulls. It's not supposed to be like that, but I don't know how you stop it. Just my two cents - I don't want to get in an argument with you Tom - I understand your point very well.

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Thanks G-String, I mean G-MAN

04-30-2002 19:03:47

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to G-MAN, 04-30-2002 16:52:46

We really wish you'd join NATPA! You would be such an "ass"et to the club with your wisdom and thoughts!! I can just hear that big G laying some ground pounding stomping power down!! What a sweet sound!!!

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G-MAN

05-01-2002 06:00:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Thanks G-String, I mean G-MAN, 04-30-2002 19:03:47

Must be nice to belong to a club that doesn't want new members. But then again how do I know you really belong to NATPA - what's your name and email address. By the way, don't bother replying to this post - I won't waste any more time arguing with idiots like you. Just keep playing with your little tractors in the sand box. Oh, and I don't mind the g-string thing, I've probably removed a lot more of them than you have - from women that is. I'm sure your boyfriend lets you take his off whenever you want.

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Eric Shun

05-01-2002 19:06:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to G-MAN, 05-01-2002 06:00:12

You pull a John Deere G and you're calling him and idiot? Course, i guess if youre wanting to play in classes that put everyone to sleep watching (competitors included), they are the way to go. Which leads me to this question, "You want them to open up the age limit to let newer tractors in that would make more power when you won't even spend money now?" Sounds like excellent thinking there, course I guess all your money is going into paying women to remove their g-strings!

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Well said, did you understand what he said G-boy?

05-02-2002 06:14:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Eric Shun, 05-01-2002 19:06:12

Perfectly stated, G-boy just likes to whine..he'll never rock and roll with the big boys!

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G-MAN

05-02-2002 06:47:38

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Well said, did you understand what he said G-boy?, 05-02-2002 06:14:59

Against my better judgement, I will respond to you guys. First of all, I have no interest in "rocking and rolling with the big boys". I'm in this hobby to relax and have fun doing something I like to do and also do for a living, fix tractors. I will have something like $7000 in my tractor when it is done. I know that is far from what the big boys spend, but I really don't care. I'll have a tractor that I can run year in and year out with out worrying about breaking a mega-dollar engine. It will probably see more Sunday afternoon driving time than pulling time. My purpose on posting on this thread was to agree that the year needs to be moved up, to promote competition and include more pullers. Don't forget that the "put the people to sleep" pulling you mention is where this whole hobby started - long before there were 900 cube Gs, hopped up Olivers and everything else running around to the pulls. I really don't understand how anything I said could be taken as whining. I know my opinion is no more valuable than anyone else's on this board. But it is also no less valuable. If you guys get your jollies ganging up and criticizing me, that's your trip, but don't think it makes you look like good in the eyes of anyone. I bring facts and honest opinions to the table, while all you do is call names and skirt around the issues. Don't think that any amount of you ripping on me is going to prevent me from posting on this board - I've taken worse from better people. Why don't you post an email address so we can have these little conversations in a little more one-on-one fashion, instead of just hiding behind a heading on the screen? I know this whole post was probably a waste of time, and I will come back to find another senseless addition by yourself or someone like you. If you feel like you want to have an intelligent conversation with me, rather than simply skirting the issue and calling me names, my email address is right in front of you. Feel free to use it, it's the manly thing to do. Do you think you're up to it? Part of me really hopes you respond with more b.s. - it will just prove my point beyond doubt. Have a nice day and good luck with your tractors - real or imaginary.

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Thanks G-Man!!

05-02-2002 08:03:07

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to G-MAN, 05-02-2002 06:47:38

Wow, what a nice story! We are all touched with your sincerity! Most G's will never break, they don't make enuff power to break! There was one that did though! He was at least getting it figured out instead of typing/talking on here which is all you do!

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G-MAN

05-02-2002 10:04:01

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Thanks G-Man!!, 05-02-2002 08:03:07

No, thank you for posting and proving my point. I knew you wouldn't let me down. The most enjoyable part of debating a topic is when I can manipulate someone into proving my point for me, rather than doing it myself. You are a true friend for helping me out that way. By the way, I'm sure the guy who blew his G in half was very happy that his tractor made enough power to break. I'm sure he was glad he spent that much money to see it all lying in pieces on the track. You are so insightful and knowledgeable, but I guess I'll stick to building weak old Gs. By the way, what kind of tractor do you pull? What divisions do you pull in? How many first place trophies on the old mantlepiece? Speak up and at least put some facts behind your statements. The next time I need someone to prove my point, I'll find you to help me. Oh, I forgot, you don't have an email address! You are really too funny to be wasting your time on old tractors - go to Hollywood and make a million. Do you need a tractor to get you there reliably? I'm dealing on another G that you might be interested in..... .. Thanks for making my day - now I can go out and fix those P.O.S. Deeres with a song in my heart - knowing that I haven't lost the touch for irritating people to the point I irritate you to. Have a nice day, and make sure to keep those tractors running well - if you have any.

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Thanks, G-Man

05-02-2002 11:01:59

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to G-MAN, 05-02-2002 10:04:01

Thanks for responding to me, YOU PROVED MY POINT! You weak minded person; I loved manipulating you into doing the same. That's the ONLY reason I had to respond to you, to MAKE YOU do it again! REMEMBER< IT WAS YOU...YES, YOU that said I will NOT respond, I will not read it and comment back,etc,etc. Please G-Man, just relax. You must be thinking calm when working on those awesome horsepower deeres you pull! What a silly boy!

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G-MAN

05-02-2002 19:02:35

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Thanks, G-Man, 05-02-2002 11:01:59

Alright, let me get this straight. You've posted as Thanks G-string once, Thanks G-MAN twice, and once as Eddie. Is that correct? Are you the same little guy that was posting from whatever podunk university down in Kansas? I just couldn't help but notice the nearly identical internet routing numbers. Using a different computer in the lab every time, are we? And you call me weak-minded! LOL! I also wouldn't doubt that you used a different computer entirely to post as Eric Shun - that's a good one - sounds a lot like erection, doesn't it? Probably fixing on that because you can't have one, lol. Oh, and the reason I replied to your post after I said I wouldn't? I won 20 bucks off of you - betting someone that I could get you to reply. Thanks for the beer money! Anyway, a bunch of the guys here at work (that's usually where you go when you decide to leave the little fantasy world called college) have another bet on what type of tractor you "own". So what do you have? Where do you pull?
I could go on and on with questions, as I am so eager to learn from an educated person such as yourself - but I doubt you have the sack to answer any of them, so I'll just let it go. And say, I'm sure you meant to put a question mark behind REMEMBER, so try hitting the button on the right side of the period/slash at the same time you hit the shift key - it'll work out a lot better for you. I can't tell you how much I'm enjoying this little conversation, so you take care and write back soon, G-MAN.

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wah,wah,wah

05-03-2002 06:09:50

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to G-MAN, 05-02-2002 19:02:35

me pull deere, wah,wah,wah,

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G-MAN

05-03-2002 15:34:11

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to wah,wah,wah, 05-03-2002 06:09:50

Uh, actually I haven't even pulled any of my Deeres yet. I'm still in the building process. All I've pulled to date as far as tractors go are Farmalls. Do you have a problem with red tractors too? I had a blast doing that - and they weren't even NATPA pulls, so go figure. So I guess you can't even call me a Deere puller yet. However, if you email me and let me know a pull you're going to be at, I'd sure make the effort to come and give you a run for your money. But then again, we don't even know that you have a tractor, do we? Still hiding in the old computer lab are we? I've never seen someone that was as gutless as you are when it comes to speaking up and backing up your b.s. Anyway, bye for now - thanks again for the cash - I actually won another ten off you today. Keep it up and I can retire - or build another G!

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sorry - ./ button - was the 8950 post your work too? nt

05-02-2002 20:44:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to G-MAN, 05-02-2002 19:02:35

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eddie

05-01-2002 06:27:56

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to G-MAN, 05-01-2002 06:00:12

Another typical example of JD pullers! I want to propose JD only classes IN ALL DIVISIONS!! This way, they can't complain like they always do to the constant beating they take in every class! What a site to see a whole class of putt putts! Too bad JD didn't admit their 2 cyl style stunk and go to 6 cyl like others did way earlier!!

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Jerry

04-29-2002 06:56:24

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Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Wheels, 04-28-2002 13:57:51

Here is the real question. Why are the NATPA members so afraid to open up their pulls to include John Deere 4010/4020 tractors?

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Tom Isenhart

04-29-2002 18:47:55

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Jerry, 04-29-2002 06:56:24

I don't see a problem with that then The IH guy's can dig out their 1206 IH from the barn.

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G-MAN

04-29-2002 10:58:36

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Jerry, 04-29-2002 06:56:24

I agree with Jerry, although I think that the classifications should be opened up to something like pre-1965 tractors. Let's look at the fact that there are 4010s that are 42 years old now. That would make them antiques in my book. It would be interesting to see a little newer tractors in these pulls - and that goes for other brands in addition to John Deeres. A lot of people say that two-cylinders were obsolete in their time, but how come people don't want to pull against the more modern JDs? I probably won't ever have the time or money to build a New Generation pulling tractor, but that doesn't mean I wouldn't enjoy seeing them pull. As far as those old tractors pulling in farm stock, it's hard to make an old 4010 wide front competitive against a lightened-up 4430 open-station in a farm-stock class. It looks to me like the New Generation tractors will just be a tractor with no place in pulling, unless you want to spend a lot of money to run one in the heavier classes. Just my two cents.

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duh stupid!

04-29-2002 08:01:12

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Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to Jerry, 04-29-2002 06:56:24

take your 4020 and pull in a farm class...or let's just allow 7810's and MX 270's stupid!

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Jerry

05-02-2002 17:22:24

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: NATPA Rules in reply to duh stupid!, 04-29-2002 08:01:12

Ok on the 4020 but can I pull my 4010 with NATPA ?

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