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Ethanol vs E-85 mixed with 87 octane gas

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jhb

04-09-2007 04:50:16




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Will e-85 mix with 87 octane gas? Will ethanol lose the ethanol from evaporation when siting in the tractor gas tank? Is 10 or 15% ethanol about right for a gas 165 # compression tractor at stock rpm's? Any info on this topic will be appreciated. I have been doing alot of thinking about it this winter. Now I need to experiment. Thanks in advance.




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buickanddeere

04-10-2007 18:01:05




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 Re: Ethanol vs E-85 mixed with 87 octane gas in reply to jhb, 04-09-2007 04:50:16  
On a near stocker most of your gains will be just from having a very cold/dense/detonation resisitant air-fuel charge.



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ChadS

04-11-2007 08:52:56




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 Re: Ethanol vs E-85 mixed with 87 octane gas in reply to buickanddeere, 04-10-2007 18:01:05  
If its mixed tuned to the cyl pressure of the engine, and Im talking percentage of gasoline mixed with the E85, say 3 quarts of gas to 1 quart of E85 for a 75/25 mix. And note the cyl pressure, a more accurate mix can be fine tuned from that point by simply loading the engine and watching the plug colors. It burns so clean that it will show lean, when its actually rich, so the plugs will be slightly lighter in color. On a spicy stock CI farmall engine can yeild more power and low end torque than the 7$ a gallon racing fuel. And oh yes,, nice and cold, you can touch the carb flange where it meats the manifold,, should be, and usually is ice cold to the touch. Never seen race fuel do that. Just my .01 worth. Chad

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dboll

04-09-2007 12:39:00




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 Re: Ethanol vs E-85 mixed with 87 octane gas in reply to jhb, 04-09-2007 04:50:16  
oops, got my numbers backwards. I agree I would use a good grade of gas to blend.



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JIm in OH

04-09-2007 06:12:27




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 Re: Ethanol vs E-85 mixed with 87 octane gas in reply to jhb, 04-09-2007 04:50:16  
Will e-85 mix with 87 octane gas? Yes, but.. if you are trying to raise the octane, why not start with 92/93 Octane?


Will ethanol lose the ethanol from evaporation when siting in the tractor gas tank? No, not any more than the gasoline. Ethanol is harder to evaporate than the light fractions in gas, which is why it is difficult to use pure ethanol in cold climates.


Is 10 or 15% ethanol about right for a gas 165 # compression tractor at stock rpm's? There are two many factors (cam timing, ignition timing, combustion chamber design, volumetric efficiency, etc.) to make a simple judgement. You will have to try it. 165psi is not particularly high and just 93 Octane gas may be enough without the E85 (with 85% ethanol), but adding Ethanol (as E85) will raise the octane rating. E85 has an octane rating of about 105 [Pure ethanol has an octane of about 110, maybe as high as 116, depending upon the reference you use.] To estimate your octane, use as an approximation:


Omix = 93*(1-x) + 105*x


where x is the fraction of E85 mixed with 93 Octane gas. Change the 93 to 87 if using regular. And some sources use from 100 to 110 as the octane rating of E85. Keep in mind that E85 is not pure ethanol and starts with only 0.85 fraction Ethanol and 0.15 fraction 87 Octane gas.


Another reminder though; you will need to richen the mixture SIGNIFICANTLY as you use more ethanol which will usually require changing or drilling out jets.


And another potential benefit of using Ethanol, is the cooling of the inlet air by evaporation (i.e., more than gasoline) although that can also create problems without enough compression or a hot enough ignition.

Jim

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dboll

04-09-2007 05:21:07




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 Re: Ethanol vs E-85 mixed with 87 octane gas in reply to jhb, 04-09-2007 04:50:16  
If you mix the percentage of alcohol will decrease, ie E-90, ect.



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Nick in MI

04-09-2007 06:13:53




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 Re: Ethanol vs E-85 mixed with 87 octane gas in reply to dboll, 04-09-2007 05:21:07  
I thought e-85 was 85% ethanol.

Nick



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