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Lamont

05-15-2007 19:13:00

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The post below about not buying fuel on a certain day has received some responses that are absolutely correct. This will never have the desired affect on the fuel prices we all would like to see. HOWEVER, there is an idea that I believe would work, IF....., (and it's a big IF)we could get a large majority of the American public to do it. Boycott the big daddy of them all, ExxonMobil. I mean don't step foot in there places of business or buy their products until the price gouging stops. These places and products would include, but are not limited to, anything that has the names Exxon, ExxonMobil, Mobil, Esso, Superflo, and Exxon and On the Run c-stores. I realize that ExxonMobil is into many other ventures including plastics and adhesives, but I will guarantee you that if 75% of their fuel and oil products stopped selling it would get their attention. This seems like a more realistic approach than not buying fuel on a certain day. Can we do this? We can darn sure try. I started over a year ago and haven't bought an ExxonMobil product or stepped foot into one of their businesses since. Join me in the fight. I'm tired of this crap.

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phil2

05-17-2007 16:43:36

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2007 19:13:00

"These oil companies are making record profits that are absolutely ridiculous."

Lamont, you have fallen for the TV Media hype - do you understand the EM 'profit'? About 8%. They could sell the company, buy a CD, and get 5.5% - yet they have to buy ships, off-shore rigs, perform exploration, argue with a govt that won't allow new refinerys to be bult for 30 years, etc. They take all of these risks just to earn an extra 2.5% on their equity? Would you do that?
Here is the Media ploy that you have fallen for - when EM's earnings increased from 6% to 8%, guess what was said on TV? PROFITS WERE UP BY 33%. Probably the 'new math'?

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yeah but

05-19-2007 08:44:18

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to phil2, 05-17-2007 16:43:36

Phil, yeah, their profits are 8%, but it doesn't matter what their costs are, they'll still have 8% profits.

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Lamont

05-17-2007 17:28:33

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to phil2, 05-17-2007 16:43:36

I get very little info from the TV media and even less from radio and newspaper. It's easy to find on these companies' websites. They're not trying to hide it. They are just lying to the public and making RECORD profits. Who really cares about percents? People live on dollars. 6% and 8% is the media hype you've fallen for. Translate that into dollars. Did you know the mark-up on a new full-size loaded out truck is around 12%? Would you be happy to pay the dealer 8% over invoice? Let's say you're looking at a truck with a $40,000.00 bottom sticker price. That would make the dealer cost around $35,200.00. Would you be willing to pay 8% above invoice? I darn sure wouldn't. That would be just a tad above $38,000.00. That's about $2800.00 GROSS profit. The 6 and 8% you're talking about are NET profits. I don't know very many people that are happy about the dealer knocking off less than 2 grand on a 40 grand truck. You see? It makes more sense when you translate it into dollars.

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phil2

05-18-2007 21:34:08

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-17-2007 17:28:33

You're a teacher? I'm going to guess that economics isn't your subject? (Your hatred for capitalism is messing up your math.)

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Lamont

05-19-2007 04:35:36

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to phil2, 05-18-2007 21:34:08

Hatred of capitalism? No. Hatred of greed!!! Where's the mistake in my math? You must not know much about the field of mathematics. Otherwise you would know a counterexample is required. My 7th and 8th grade students know that!!!

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LWD

05-17-2007 01:13:11

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2007 19:13:00

gas is cheaper than water,,go to the ball game and see. back in the 50`s gas 2was .25 smokes were .18..long storie short, use less, go to the store twice a month not twice a week. back during ww2 a guy next door used a 1928 chevy with a milk can on the back bumper made in to a charcole burner, got the fire started and choked it down and used the un burned gases to run the car. the mermaid said; where there a will thers a way.

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Jim Johnson

05-16-2007 19:20:17

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2007 19:13:00

Well I make my living from EXXON MOBIL!

I guess I'll boycott you when I see you are needing something next time.

It goes further and closer than you think don't it.

Jim

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Lamont

05-17-2007 16:22:08

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Jim Johnson, 05-16-2007 19:20:17

What you pointed me to didn't help anyway. I never made it out there to get those tires. I'll give you one guess why I didn't drive 600 miles one way for 2 sets of tires, even though they are hard to come by. You got it! High gas prices. Fuel alone would have been close to $200.00 minimum. I realize someone's getting hurt if there's a boycott, but a lot more people are getting hurt anyway. You're just looking out for #1. You act as if you are enslaved to ExxonMobil. That's how big corporations like it. They want everyone to think they couldn't make it without them. Boycotting me is your choice. I hope you wouldn't be offended if I try to help you if you need anything. You see? You're taking this way too personal. People don't understand why I say I'll not vote for any type of a tax increase, no matter how it's SUPPOSED to be earmarked. Everyone thinks since I'm a teacher and bus driver that I'd be in favor of tax increases. My point on that is, people are already taxed to death and our politicians aren't spending it correctly. Higher taxes may help me, but the general public suffers more than they already are.

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Jim Johnson

05-17-2007 19:32:30

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-17-2007 16:22:08

I was joking you Lamont!

I told you I go by there every week and I could pick them up, but you said you had it taken care of.

Sorry you didn't get them, but I'll bet they are gone now, along with every thing else in Greensburg.

Jim

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Tired Of Being Gouged

05-17-2007 11:55:59

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Jim Johnson, 05-16-2007 19:20:17

Well,when you make $10 per hour its kind of hard to pay $3.25 for fuel.It was $1.85 just 6 months ago.

How much per hour do you make?

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RWWisehart

05-16-2007 18:02:31

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2007 19:13:00

Guys I agree with you 100 percent, but the big problem is our corupt government that is letting this happen. The American people need to stand up and say we have had enough, because I know I have. Our president has had his nose stuck in every other countrys bussiness but his own.

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Lamont

05-16-2007 18:50:46

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to RWWisehart, 05-16-2007 18:02:31

Some of that nose-sticking needed done, but I agree partially and would add that it applies to about 99% of our politicians. We have just that, politicians rather than public servants for our Senators and Representatives. The word "representative" doesn't even fit anymore. It seems they are more interested in building their political career than representing their constituents. If they have an established career they want to go about blowing their horn, (or getting it blown in some cases:) rather than doing what's best for America. The tree-huggers and frog-lovers aren't helping either. We need to tell them and all of the Arab nations to kiss our red tails and start using our own oil. But once again, this idea will find many who give excuses as to why it won't work rather than DOING something about it.

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560 Farmall Puller

05-16-2007 14:28:41

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2007 19:13:00

Well that won't work around here , central Ohio, Ashland oil is the big dog in this area they dictate the price, Thats Speedway, Pilot Oil and Marathon which are mostly corporate stores. The Marathons that are independent are usually foreign owned.

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Lamont

05-16-2007 16:15:44

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to 560 Farmall Puller, 05-16-2007 14:28:41

You put the squeeze on the biggest one and, when they begin to hurt from a large majority of their products that have their name on them still sitting somewhere rather than being used, they'll take whatever measures it takes to move those products. I'll guarantee you Ashland Oil does NOT dictate the price in ANY area. The little dog never does. He has to follow the big one. The only reason this idea won't work is because people won't do it. Read all of these responses. Everyone has an excuse. It's a good thing we're not trying to claim independence from some country "to form a more perfect union." Americans won't stick together for anything anymore.

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massey333

05-17-2007 06:16:20

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-16-2007 16:15:44

Farmall 560 is right,THERE IS NO ExxonMobil within 125-150 Mi.of him or maybe not even in the state of Ohio.Exxon never was and Mobil hasn't been for 20 Yrs..Marathon is the big dog in Ohio from what I can see Trucking over the roads.Sohio(now BP)was the ONLY Standard Oil Co.in the state until the last years.Other wise I will agree you.

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G/MAN

05-16-2007 13:46:32

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2007 19:13:00

Just because Exxon/Mobil is the biggest kid on the block makes them the worst? I don't get it. If that's the case, then the "little guys" should be able to cut E/M's throat by drastically undercutting them, but that isn't happening, is it? Would you rather Exxon/Mobil profits or a dictator like Hugo Chavez?

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Lamont

05-16-2007 16:24:23

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-16-2007 13:46:32

I didn't say EM was the worst. It just makes sense to hit the biggest one the hardest. Oh yeah, the little guys could cut EM's throat by undercutting them, but why would they? Wake up! All they have to do is follow the big kid's lead and all of them profit more! If they cut EM's throat, they cut their own throat! All the little guy has to do is stay relatively competitive. I would rather the public profit. I have no problem with a business making a profit, but their figures are ridiculous. If people would just try this idea for 2 years, we'd at least know if it would work. This nation wasn't built on speculation without action. Someone had to fire that first shot at the big guy.

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G/MAN

05-17-2007 07:53:03

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-16-2007 16:24:23

Somebody needs to wake up, but I don't believe it's me. If you're really so interested in "hitting the big guy" that's profitting the most off of gas prices - ANY gas prices be they $1.00 per gallon or $3.50 per gallon - you'd better get in touch with your representatives in Congress and demand they lower fuel taxes, because the simple fact of the matter is that good old Uncle Sam is making much more profit on a gallon of gas than any big oil company is. And of course the government profits again when those big oil companies pay any number of other taxes, and yet again when the employees of those big oil companies pay THEIR federal income taxes. You want the "public to profit"? Many of us do, thanks to a little thing called the stock market. And you don't have to be a Wall Street wheeler/dealer to be invested in the market. Pretty much any and every 401k plan out there is to some extent invested in stocks, and if your money manager has a clue, you sure as heck expect them to be liking the returns the oil companies are showing and be putting some money there. I was under the impression that this nation was founded on the premise of personal freedom and liberty, not "taking out the big guy", and I thought that free-market capitalism, which is the form of business those big oil companies are in, was one of the major contributors to our way of life and standard of living in this country. I supposed if you live in a town of any size and have many options for places to buy gas, you can give this a shot. Thing is that many people in rural areas don't have that luxury, and driving any number of miles to a different town just to stick it to the big guy would seem to be stupid in the extreme. Your master plan is semi-decent fantasyland what-if thinking, but the practicality is far behind the theory.

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supermpuller

05-17-2007 11:27:36

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-17-2007 07:53:03

Uncle Sam is running record deficits, Big oil is making record profits, hate to rain on your parade.

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G/MAN

05-17-2007 13:30:56

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to supermpuller, 05-17-2007 11:27:36

You'd have trouble finding the parade, let alone raining on it. The fact that there are government defecits has exactly nothing to do with the money the government makes off big oil and fuel prices. Know anybody that brings home a paycheck from a job they make a profit on and is still in debt? Anybody with half a clue can easily check to see what federal and state gas taxes add to a gallon of gasoline or diesel fuel.

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Lamont

05-17-2007 17:12:10

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-17-2007 13:30:56

Fill us in on those tax numbers. Taxes are steadily becoming a smaller part of the price. I really don't see how the government maintains our roads for the low costs that they do. Of course, the word "maintain" is being used a little loosely there. Seriously though, the highest taxes on gas right now are 60.8 cents per gallon. That's local, state, and federal combined. Most states are still in the mid-40s to lower-50s. At most that's right at 20% of the price of a gallon of gas. New remember that 20% is going to 3 different entities...local, state, and federal. That doesn't sound "excessive" to me. The highest diesel taxes are only about 8 cents higher. How does that compare to the big oil profits? Scantily I would say.

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05-17-2007 14:08:17

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-17-2007 13:30:56

Most of the gas tax is for roads and upkeep on roads, the state and federal gov't isn't gettin rich off the current gas prices, but big oil is making record profits.

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Lamont

05-17-2007 16:52:06

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-17-2007 14:58:29

The government doesn't invest a dime of the money collected from big oil????? ??? Where do you live and what type of roads to you drive on? Who maintains those roads? I've never seen a BP or Exxon sign on the door of the road crew trucks. It's government. Now about the words profit and bad. I've not read anyone's post that says profit is bad. My problem is, the CEOs say that oil shortages, new exploration, government regulations, and higher costs of refining are driving the costs up. If there's such a shortage, why aren't we running out? The 2 big bulks plants around here don't seem to be having trouble getting oil and fuel. If the costs are so much higher why are they making such huge RECORD profits????? We're not just talking about profits. These profits are higher than ever in the history of the oil business. I don't have any problem with making a profit, but don't lie to me with some cry-baby story about why the price has tripled in the last 3 or 4 years. As far as the word "excessive" profit and where to "draw the line,"... I'd be willing to bet you "drew a line" on what was "excessive" profit when you bought your last car or truck!!!!! You surely didn't just go out and pay sticker price for it did you? No! You "drew a line" on what was "excessive" profit didn't you? Does that help with those definitions?

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G/MAN

05-18-2007 07:49:01

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-17-2007 16:52:06

I suggest you either learn to read and comprehend what you're reading, or give up on this thread altogether. I didn't say a word about the government investing in COLLECTING revenue from big oil, I specifically said they don't invest a dime in PRODUCING the petroleum products the government eventually profits from. Getting it now? As far as CEOs, profits and business in general, you are obviously on a different planet. Those companies are in business to MAKE MONEY, the CEOs are employed to MAKE MONEY, and are ultimately responsible to the REAL bosses behind any publically-traded company - the stockholders. Exploration? Are you aware that increasingly restrictive GOVERNMENT laws and rules are BIG part of increasing exploration and production costs? First of all, all of the easy finds have been discovered and exploited. You can't just drive out in the middle of nowhere, sink a well and hit oil. The only unfound large reserves are all thought to be under deep ocean water. At least the ones that the U.S. oil companies can GET TO. Kinda funny how there are multiple nations currently drilling in the Gulf of Mexico and yet U.S. oil companies are pretty much excluded from further exploration there, thanks to government regs, isn't it? How about the tree-huggers' grip on reserves in Alaska? The fact is that there are many opportunities inside the U.S. and withing a few hundred miles of our coasts that are effectively off-limits to our oil companies, but are freely exploited by China, Venezuela and other companies. So our companies have to send people and equipment halfway around the world where we CAN drill; develop the new technology for deep-ocean drilling; etc. in order to even FIND oil, let alone get it out of the ground and into pipelines and tankers. You don't think that costs billions of dollars? And of course there's also the fact that oil prices are MARKET-DRIVEN, and that crude is a COMMODITY, and is traded worldwide as such. Per-barrel crude oil prices are driven up and down based on market conditions just like any other COMMODITY, like corn, soybeans, or pork bellies. The big oil companies no more set the per-barrel price of crude than a farmer can walk into an elevator or ethanol plant and tell THEM what he's going to get for the load of corn he just hauled in. So why are THESE record profits so obscene? The OLD record profits weren't? As I said, arbitrarily "determining" what amount of profit is simply stupid, and is largely indicative of what seems to be your general cluelessness on this issue. If you owned a semi-successful business - it could be any business from retail sales to providing a specific service, made a good living year in and year out but never really "hit it big", and then one year everything fell into place and you tripled or quadrupled your net profit for the year, would YOU feel guilty about those "obscene" profits and give the money back? I seriously doubt it. And considering how those oil companies ARE publically traded, and seeing as how there are literally MILLIONS of Americans benefitting from those "obscene" prices, from the CEO right down to someone with a 401k plan that has money invested in the stock market, and seeing as how people keep PAYING for those obscene prices while they're driving around in their $50,000 SUVs that get 13 mpg - such as the soccer moms you see in a 4wd Suburban or Escalade that they "need" to haul their 2.3 children around, I don't see that you've got a leg to stand on when it comes to your high-minded analysis of what is "excessive" profit. Do yourself a favor and do a little research about the industry in general and what drives the oil prices, instead of buying into the mass-media hatchet jobs on "big business" that you see on the news every night. Ever notice how those same reporters that talk so much smack about big companies like Wal-Mart and Big Oil and their "excessive" profits never seem to get around to discussion the profits of the companies that pay THEM and what THEIR CEOs are making?

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Lamont

05-18-2007 10:37:10

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-18-2007 07:49:01

I can count the times I've watched the news so far this year on one hand. Go to these companies' websites and get the info straight from them. I won't argue your points except to say that, yes, I would feel guilty for making excessive profits. The percentage of profit doesn't matter nearly as much as the dollar amount. You say the amount of money the government collects is excessive. How do you draw that line? The problem is that common sense has become uncommon and greed has become thought of as someone's right to make money. Did you address the question I asked about whether or not you "drew the line" on "excessive" profits when you bought your last vehicle? Didn't think so. You just spouted off some facts that we already knew and didn't even try to make points on. Do us all a favor and respond to what's in this post with pertinent information.

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Lamont

05-20-2007 05:03:32

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-19-2007 21:21:50

Ok. How about your NEWEST vehicle and not the last one you purchased? Good try. I"m not speculating on the record profits of these oil companies, nor is it my personal opinion. I"m going to assume that it"s not rhetoric because they have the info on their websites and are not denying the huge profits. Please point me to anything that I"ve said about being "anti-profit." You"ll not find it. I"m anti-greed. I"m also against big business trampeling the working man under his feet because he knows that working man must use his product to make a living, or at least get to the place where he makes his living. I"m not anti-capitalism, but their comes a point at which it takes on a new meaning...taking advantage of someone. That is what I"m against. Also, China is a country; not a company.

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G/MAN

05-20-2007 10:13:38

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-20-2007 05:03:32

You really should know a little something before running your mouth at someone. That IS the newest vehicle I currently drive. I'm not hung up on driving new vehicles. My opinion is that a brand-new vehicle just may be the biggest waste of money there is - it's new for approximately 1 second, and if a good used one will do the same job for far less money, buying new is a waste. But of course people are free to waste money - yet another advantage of our capitalistic system. And of course I also tend to think that buying used vehicles is more environmentally responsible than buying new. Know how many petroleum derivatives go into a new car, from the plastic to the tires to the fluids they leave the plants with? Seems like if you want to boycott oil companies, you'd better not be buying new vehicles either. Or ANYTHING with petroleum in it, for that matter. And you'd better get your facts straight on China - it's pretty much a country AND a company. There is no "big business" in China that ISN'T government-owned or at least subsidized, and the citizenry is by and large low-paid, psuedo slave labor for the government. Call me crazy, but that seems a lot more like being taken advantage of than some whiner that complains about how much it costs to fill his vehicle up with gas - a vehicle he freely and willingly purchased and freely and willingly uses for whatever purpose he chooses. Grow up.

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Lamont

05-20-2007 13:18:36

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-20-2007 10:13:38

Wow. We agree on more than I thought. I've never bought a new vehicle either. Big waste. You lose thousands as soon as you cross the curb. I'll still bet you bargain for whatever vehicle you buy and don't just give whatever price they ask. You missed by point on boycotting the big-daddy oil company. I'm not against petroleum usage or petroleum companies. I am against any company, be it a social republic or a private firm in a capitlistic society, taking advantage of people. We can just agree to disagree on this I guess.

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step back

05-18-2007 09:54:21

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-18-2007 07:49:01

G/MAN has some valid points. But is posts are too long, so most of the info gets skipped though, and people only remember the silly stuff.

One point he makes. Big Oil usually makes around 8% profit. This seems to hold true but it doesn't matter what their costs are, the profit stays the same. how could this be true? Oh, that's right, they just raise the price of their product and since you MUST HAVE it, you pay it.

Which makes more sense if you are big oil? (I don't know the exact numbers)
To pump 60,000,000 barrels of oil per day @ $30/barrel OR
Pump 30,000,000 barrels of oil per day @ $60/barrel.

Given there there's a finite amount of the stuff, If I'm big oil, I'll take the higher price. Since I'm marking everything up and passing it on to the consumer, if I'm big oil, I don't care if it's $100/barrel, I'm still going to make 8%. Just try and stop me.

The other thing he said that only kinda sorta makes sense is that you can buy these stocks in your 401k. That works great if you bought them 6 months ago, but the prices of the stocks have gone up to 52 week highs. I don't want to buy a stock that seems topped out, do you? Also, how does investing in my 401k which I can't use until I retire, help me IN TODAY's WORLD??? Simple, it doesn't. Sure will be nice in 20 years though.

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G/MAN

05-19-2007 21:13:43

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to step back, 05-18-2007 09:54:21

Only idiots jump in and out of the market hoping to make a dime overnight. 401k plans have been around long enough that most people have been invested in them for quite some time, and have benefitted from the general continuous upswing in stock prices. Historically, the market has ALWAYS gone up and not down, hasn't it? I notice no one has bothered or tried to dispute the facts of my post, whether or not it was too long, and those are that per-barrel oil prices and ultimately at-the-pump gas prices are market driven and based on a huge number of factors. Even gasoline is a traded commodity, so trying to say that oil companies jack the prices of the end product to increase profits doesn't hold water. Do you see stores charging a bunch more for a quart of oil? Or a tube of grease? You sure don't - because those markets use such a small percentage of crude oil production that short-term price volatitily never catches up to them. Lamont is clueless. Period.

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Lamont

05-20-2007 05:21:14

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-19-2007 21:13:43

Wait a minute. You called me Einstein in another post. Now you call me clueless? Are you saying a quart of oil isn't higher than it was 2 years ago? Where do you live? Do you get out much? You also need to consider the type of products they move the most. That would be gas and diesel. That's why you've seen a more dramatic increase in fuel prices. You almost pointed that out, but you just don't seem to see the whole picture. You call this "short-term price volatility." (I think that's what you meant to type.) What's your definition of "short-term?" I don't think we'll ever see $1.50 gas again. Now that's speculation. The reason I don't think we'll ever see it again is because so many people are afraid to DO something about it. You seem to think that it would ruin the "American Dream" if the people stood up to big oil and said "we're not going to take it anymore."

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G/MAN

05-20-2007 10:21:43

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-20-2007 05:21:14

What you consider to be arguments are really pretty sad. We're never going to see $1.50 gas again? Maybe not. We're also never going to see $1.00 per gallon milk again, $5000 new cars, a $25,000 new home or a 25-cent can of pop again, are we? Thinking that we would, could and should perpetually enjoy gas prices in the $1.00 per gallon range is stupidity in the extreme. There is a finite amount of oil out there. Period. The supply is continuously being reduced. The demand is continuously increasing. What part of that can't you wrap your head around? And no, refined oil has not double in price the way gas has. I know - in the course of a year, I handle hundreds of gallons of engine oil, transmission and hydraulic oil, gear oil and hundreds of pounds of grease. Your comment about the "American Dream" is also utterly clueless (and by the way, "Einstein" was meant to be sarcastic). I don't recall the Constitution guaranteeing cheap anything - gas, diesel, oil or whatever. The people undermining the American Dream are those that would be wholly unwilling to have the same restrictions placed on themselves that they would gladly see placed on others when they fell that those others are shafting them - i.e. you. Care to name your own line of work or business so that we can decide to boycott you if we feel we're being shafted by your industry? Man up and do it.

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Lamont

05-20-2007 19:44:35

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to G/MAN, 05-20-2007 10:21:43

I guess you"ve fallen for all the media hype about running out of a supply of oil. It"s there. The government restrictions probably won"t be relaxed to let anyone get to it for a while thanks to others believing the media hype about the rest of the environment. Oil companies are not running out of a supply. They decide the volume that they remove from the belly of the Earth. Check it out. It"s true. By the way, I knew your Einstein comment was sarcasm. That"s why I made my comment. Who"s clueless????? I have no trouble "manning up" and telling what I do for a living. It"s in several of my posts. Can you really read? I teach 7th grade Math, Pre-Algebra, and Algebra depending on where my school places me, and I also drive a bus. Think you could you help me by getting some of my students to boycott riding the bus?

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Jim in OH

05-16-2007 09:24:54

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2007 19:13:00

Hi Lamont... Well meaning, I am sure, but the guy you are hurting is the local franchise owner/operator. He makes his living from his sales. The big companies trade on the open market... to each other... even use the very same pipelines to transport their product.. so as long as somebody uses it (doesn't matter who or where you buy it), they all are going to make their profit... If you are trying to offset your costs, you should USE less or buy their stock and collect their dividend.. I often buy from the closest store to save some money too... Jim

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Lamont

05-16-2007 16:37:02

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Jim in OH, 05-16-2007 09:24:54

I'm not just considering my costs. I'm considering the costs of everyone. These oil companies are making record profits that are absolutely ridiculous. I realize that many smaller companies buy and/or sell EM products under other names, but do you honestly think that it wouldn't make a difference if 75% of EVERYTHING that had the names Exxon, Esso, ExxonMobil, Mobil, and SuperFlo were left sitting for the next 2 years? I'm willing to try it rather than make excuses for why it won't work. As far as hurting the local franchise owner/operator, who's hurting now? Many people who are working for minimum, or barely above minimum wage. Someone's hurting either way. I'd rather hurt a few than many. This nation was not built by people saying "Oh no! Someone is going to get hurt! Let's not do that!" The american public has lost its grit.

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dctom

05-16-2007 05:42:57

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to Lamont, 05-15-2007 19:13:00

LAMONT;; THEY ARE SO DEVERSIFIED HOW DO WE KNOW WHO NOT TO GO TO?? MOST ALL FUEL COMES THRU THEM SOMEHOW TOM

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Lamont

05-16-2007 16:46:18

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Re: Combating High Fuel Prices in reply to dctom, 05-16-2007 05:42:57

If it says Exxon, ExxonMobil, Mobil, Esso, or SuperFlo, just leave it alone. After it sits there for about 2 years without being used, it'll get their attention. Sure they sell to others, but they want their name out front and they'll take drastic measures to make sure it is. Imagine what would happen if only Wal-Mart told ExxonMobil they weren't going to sell any items with those names on them. Think that would get EM's attention? Well, the American public is much bigger than Wal-Mart. The only trouble is everyone making excuses for why it won't work rather than trying it for 2 years. People have no idea how these high fuel prices are already affecting the American economy. America is headed in a downward spiral right now, and its only going to get worse if the public don't quit complaining and start DOING something.

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