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PullinM

08-01-2007 07:28:22




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Hey guys, I have a pretty stout Farmall M, but just like a lot of guys, im trying to figure out where to have the weights and air pressure to fit the different track combos. I have been putting all the weights behind the rear tires, and on the nose of the tractor. I have olny used the bar in front of the rear tires (belly Bar), when I run a heavy class and dont have any room left on the rear. My question is...Has anyone had sucsess using the belly bar in combination with the other two bars. In other words, in my light classes should I be placeing some weight from the front,a and or from the rear onto the center bar? If so, is it better to take from the front or rear. I know every tractor is different, and it all depends on the track, air pressure, tire size, etc., but how have guys faired weighting this way? Many guys around us dont use a center bar, is this a way for me to gain a little on the other guys? Thanks for the help. Happy Pullin!

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fig8rcr gone puller

08-02-2007 06:36:11




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 Re: Balance in reply to PullinM, 08-01-2007 07:28:22  
I started to use the belly bar allot more on my tractor. Helps lots with traction and balance. Rears dig in, and the fronts stay low. Just my set up find what works for you.



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jd b puller

08-01-2007 18:08:13




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 Re: Balance in reply to PullinM, 08-01-2007 07:28:22  
PullinM, It really doesn't matter where you put your weights. Sort of. All you are doing is moving your center of gravity of the tractor. You just have to assume that you are going to have the front of the tractor off the ground. At this point, the rear wheels become a pivot point. It's a simple statics problem from here. Moments and lever arms. If your front wheels are on the ground, then anything ahead of the front wheels actually takes weight OFF the rear wheels...

In other words, if you have 1000 pounds to play with and put 500 on the nose and 500 on the rear, there is a magic point somewhere near the middle of the tractor that if you put all 1000 pounds there, it would be exactly the same.

Leverage = Mass * distance from pivot

The lesson here being that if you put it really far from the pivot point, and you misjudge the weight by a hundred pounds, it makes a lot bigger difference than if you miss it by 100 pounds in the center...

Same goes for your drawbar, the higher it is, the more it wants to lift the nose. The longer it is, the more it wants to lift the nose... It's all a Weight*distance thing.

Keep track of your weight placement and your results.

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Chances R

08-01-2007 14:31:55




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 Re: Balance in reply to PullinM, 08-01-2007 07:28:22  
I always figured that leverage came in to play when it came to placing weights. The further forward or backward you place the weights the more the weight does for you. I wouldnt use the belly weight bracket until the front or back weight bracket was full. Just my opinion.



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Mike Aylward

08-01-2007 14:53:10




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 Re: Balance in reply to Chances R, 08-01-2007 14:31:55  
Exactly, Charles. Mike



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dboll

08-01-2007 10:05:00




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 Re: Balance in reply to PullinM, 08-01-2007 07:28:22  
I use all 3 in combination on a CC Case, as where to place them that depends on sled chain length/height, track condition, hitch design ect. Only experience will teach you this, don't expect to win automatically. I have been pulling 22 years and don't claim to know it all.



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ChadS

08-01-2007 07:52:40




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 Re: Balance in reply to PullinM, 08-01-2007 07:28:22  
lately, been trying to figure out the same on a M, seems like the more I can keep on the belly bar, the better it seems to pull. Last week, we pulled a sandy track, had as much weight behind the axle as I could get. DID NOT even lift the front end, put the same weight on the belly bar and whoa! Front was up and started pulling, so we took weights off the wheels, more on the belly bar, kept getting better and better with each run. My setup may be different, but, worked for that tractor.

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MJF

08-01-2007 12:30:56




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 Re: Balance in reply to ChadS, 08-01-2007 07:52:40  
Wow thats kinda suprising. Maybe I should try that on my H. Since it's a stock tractor I need everything I can get. Most of the time I put very little on the belly 50-150lbs on the belly bar for the 5000lb, which is my heavy class.



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ChadS

08-02-2007 10:32:42




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 Re: Balance in reply to MJF, 08-01-2007 12:30:56  
We ran the Hs that way for a long time, even had double rows on the brackets to hang twice as much than with a single bar. ran em as high as 6500#



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PullinM

08-01-2007 14:31:40




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 Re: Balance in reply to MJF, 08-01-2007 12:30:56  
I know, I only put weights on my belly bar if I run out of room on the bar in the rear. Im gonna try more on there this weekend I think.



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