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Farmall M 100HP...carb problems

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masseyman30

08-22-2007 20:57:53




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I need a little help with my Farmall M I just bought. The tractor runs and pulls GREAT (got a 4 and 1st last weekend), but I need some carb. help. The tractor is idling at 900 RPM now and is running very rich at an idle. If you turn the RPM"s lower to where they are supposed to be, it really belches smoke. Do you all think the carb. is plugged up somewhere or somebody drilled something too big. I will say, it has a Denny"s distributor on it and a Denny"s coil so I wouldn"t be suprised if the carb came from that junk yard too. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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Tony

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ChadS

08-29-2007 09:01:13




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to masseyman30, 08-22-2007 20:57:53  
35? a 33 would help the stutter if your running 10% rpms over. Especially if the thottle body is bored out,,, too much air will not mix the fuel. Speeding up the air flow by decreasing the venturi size will help mix the fuel better and add some low end torque at the same time. Maybe even a 29 would do the trick,,,,, ChadS www.thetractorshop.com



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ChadS

08-29-2007 08:57:01




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to masseyman30, 08-22-2007 20:57:53  
Ok, what I would do, is get a stock metering stem. If the holes in the stem are too large, it will flood from allowing too much fuel to exit the main jet. See, how these carbs work is,, They have more than one fuel port. Used to be, the M style carb had just an idle circuit, and the main load jet. The newer carbs, have 2 main fuel delvery locations, (idle not included) to deliver fuel into the manifold. Now, if the main jet and stem is too large, it will overflow the already flowing fuel entering the manifold. Hence, when you try to lean out the main jet, you get a hesitation and idles better. I do belive the .104 bit is small, and you can step up to a .120 bit for the main jet,,,, but the metering stem is too big, flowing way too much fuel. It takes the fine tunability out of the carb when its either lean, or way to rich, nothing inbetween. A stock stem will cut back on the fuel flow out of the main jet. After the main jet is enlarged, try it with the stock metering stem, see if any improvments show up. The idle should clear up, but will possibly have a stutter, but hopefully you can richen it up from the jet increase to compensate, but not overfeed. Now, if you do need a little more fuel, than what you are getting,,, you can enlarge the BOTTOM TWO HOLES in the metering stem a few sizes larger. This will let more fuel in, but not too much. Blow the carb out really good, (wear glasses) Make sure each and every passage is clear and open. What size was the venturi???? measure the narrow part of the venturi and report back. Now, have tou done any upgrades to the IGN? ChadS www.thetractorshop.com

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ChadS

08-25-2007 07:59:10




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to masseyman30, 08-22-2007 20:57:53  
What kind of fuel are you running in it? Run a compression test, recheck all your bolt torques on the manifold, check the valve lash. Id say the carb, has something up with it. Need to know what kind of carb, if it has the idle screw inthe flange, and if the carb bowl has a brass plug in the bottom that holds the metering stem in place, if it has that plug or not, or a carb number off the brass tag by the governor tube housing on the carb. Mesaure the ID of the throttle body, and measure the size of the venturi. Could be simple fix, or complicated repair. ChadS

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masseyman30

08-29-2007 08:38:27




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to ChadS, 08-25-2007 07:59:10  
Alright, I made some measurements and here is what I've got. The throttle body measures 1.553". The main jet is drilled to a .106 bit, maybe need to go bigger there??? The idle jet is a .043 bit. The metering stem has 4 holes in it all drilled the same size. The metering stem screws into the bottom bowl, it does not have the brass nut on the bottom of the carb. bowl. 52815DA is the number on the bass tag by the throttle shaft/governor linkage area. The main jet needle is open 4 turns and the idle air adjusting needle was open 3 turns. Before I took the carb. off, I opened it up to 4 1/4 turns and it did run better at an idle, but that seems really far open for that needle. As for the compression, it ran 235 psi all across the board. I am running 110 octane purple fuel. Any thoughts? Maybe I just need to open the idle air needle more???

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Tony

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masseyman30

08-29-2007 08:47:49




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to masseyman30, 08-29-2007 08:38:27  
Sorry, forgot to mention, it has the #35 venturi in it!



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ChadS

08-23-2007 09:41:24




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to masseyman30, 08-22-2007 20:57:53  
Might want to pull the carb off, look down inside the top of the throttle body. Look for cracks, or a hole broken out in the ID of the throat. Is the idle screw in the carb flange?



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masseyman30

08-23-2007 21:03:55




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to ChadS, 08-23-2007 09:41:24  
Alright, I will pull it off and look inside. I will also check to see what size venturi I have and if the main jet has been opened up any. Also, it does have the needle for idle adjusting. I can adjust the tractor down to run good at an idle, but then as soon as you give her throttle, she wants to die.



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smdv806

08-23-2007 07:40:06




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to masseyman30, 08-22-2007 20:57:53  
Did you try to adjust your idle screw? For that engine cranking that many horses, I would use a #35 venturi. Drill you main load screw hole out to .120. Make sure your metering stem has four sets of holes on the bottom half. If not use the same size bit as the upper hole to make the bottom. We are talking about 8 holes together. When you drill straight through we are talking 4 sets.



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MH446

08-22-2007 21:55:57




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to masseyman30, 08-22-2007 20:57:53  
HOPE YOU DONT PLAN ON PULLING IN MOSAC WITH IT? HUMMMMM



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masseyman30

08-23-2007 21:01:20




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to MH446, 08-22-2007 21:55:57  
No, she is a CMOTA and NATPA tractor!



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masseyman30

08-22-2007 20:58:54




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 Re: Farmall M 100HP...carb problems in reply to masseyman30, 08-22-2007 20:57:53  
What would be the best jet size and venturi to run on a M with this kind of power?



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