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Tractor puller

06-12-2002 19:38:46

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I don't want to cause any trouble or agruing over this. I am a puller my self.

I think tractor pulling should be..... a stock tractor
Stock tire and rim size
Stock weight bracket if equiped with from factory
Off the farm tractors
No adds must the way it came from factory
pull in 1st gear
on a saturday night
if need extra weight put wheel weighs (pie weights)
No pressed or stamped rims
with wheelie bars
No cut tirs just road wore tires

Those are some of my ideas Thanks for taking the time to read this

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Gman

06-16-2002 03:46:47

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

There is a lot of work involved in putting on a pull,and alot of reasons to put on a pull. One is to have fun,competing,and make ends meet and one local club likes to donate proceeds from pull to worthy causes(Hospice for example).I agree with you on all points,but you got to have the souped up and hot rods for the spectators,most prople wouldn't turn their head twice to see a stock J.D.40,and a Super A pull,butif you modify them and put on a good show people will pay to see them. Gmans .02 cts worth.

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Andrew

06-16-2002 19:07:55

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Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Gman, 06-16-2002 03:46:47

This isnt even something to bring up people around were I pull try to enforce them but people get greedy and still do things to be better

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Jon D

06-13-2002 18:16:05

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

I AGREE!!!!! ! It looks like we DO have some people with a little sence here!!!!!

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salleys!!!

06-13-2002 16:20:28

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

The only ones begging for stock tractors are the guys that are loosing every weekend. Let them run what they've brung and hope ya brung enough!!
Just have fun and break some parts-thats the real fun!!

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Jeff

06-14-2002 21:25:56

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Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to salleys!!!, 06-13-2002 16:20:28

You obviously have more money than I do. I have other bills to pay besides high performance parts for a tractor. As for the modified tractors, more power to you. However if your gonna build one that is not stock then stay out of the stock classes. I see guys who I know have LP heads from tractors 10 yrs younger than the yare pulling with racing piston,hot ignitions and such pulling in farm stock classes. To me farm stock me and what was avaiable for that tractor from the dealer when it was being built. Also pulling from the stock drawbar. About the only thing that separates then around here is cut tires or worn ones. They do make the farm stockers pull in first gear though spped deamons are reserved for the open class. Luckily I pull mine for fun only. I pretty much know I am going to get beat when I hook but it sure sounds good to hear that Oliver 88 open the governors!!!

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G-MAN

06-14-2002 07:20:14

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Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to salleys!!!, 06-13-2002 16:20:28

Oh yes, it is so much fun replacing broken parts all the time. I'm sure that's why everyone is in the hobby, to break things. What a joke. The real fun is watching farm stock pulls, with guys pulling tractors that they make their living with - knowing full well that if they break it, they may not get their farm work done on time. People tend to forget, in this day of 120 hp antique tractors, that pulling started with FARM tractors, and grudge matches between brands. As far as stock tractors not being competitive against hot-rods, I once saw an old Case (900 if I remember right) absolutely spank several hopped up Deeres and Binders, because the track that day was more about going slow and digging through the tough spots than speed. The real "Salleys" are the guys that dump $10,000 in a tractor, and then get whipped by a stock one driven by a guy that knows how to drive and set up his tractor, and then cry all the way home.

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travis

06-16-2002 21:18:00

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Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to G-MAN, 06-14-2002 07:20:14

Stock Pulls-----BORINGGGGG GGGGG GGG!!!!! !!!!! !!!!

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G-MAN

06-17-2002 10:33:46

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Re: Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to travis, 06-16-2002 21:18:00

Different strokes for different folks, Travis - that's what makes our country and our hobby great.
There's millions of people that think Nascar is the end-all when it comes to motorsports, but I personally think it's like watching paint dry. Why would you want to drive 500 miles and still be in the same place when you got done, lol? But as long as there are people that like it, it's their deal. That was the point of my post.

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Troy

06-14-2002 20:06:00

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Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to G-MAN, 06-14-2002 07:20:14

I agree it is fun to watch the "big Boys" get spanked by a tractor with half the hp. We've got a guy the boasts about his MM U having 125hp and I've never seen him get better than a 3rd place.
I have talked to the previous owner of the tractor and he swears thats what it put out on the dyno. The only reason he sold it was to build his MM UB, which he says is a little better.(wink,wink.) Tires, weight placement, the right gear, and most of all the right line in the track.
$.02

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Old Puller

06-13-2002 11:54:12

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

Here is my opinion for what it is worth. I have pulled so called stock, modified antique, farm tractors off the farm and now a open farm diesel with a turbo charger. First a low gear rule is the most unfair rule there ever was and that applies to all brands of tractors. Put a speed limit on the class that fits the tractor classification. Second there is no such thing as a stock pulling tractor! Show me a puller with a stock pulling tractor and I will show you a liar! If people don't want competition do not have rules or winnings, just display what you like to show out on the sled for show only. Now if you want to have a tractor pull to compare, forget about stock and have classes that appeal to all types of tractors, so called stock and right up the line. Speed is the almighty limiting factor. For the more stock classes keep the speed down where a stock tractor of a given weight can pull the sled in which really won't appeal to the modified tractor and will not have any more advantage. Limit tire size, RPM and hitch dimensions also to separate the classes and types of tractors. It really isn't that hard to do and saves a lot of whining. If some clown wants to pull his modified 100 HP antique tractor with uncut tires, stock RPM and a long hitch at 2.5 or 3 MPH let him. Let him get humiliated as nothing tickles me more than to see these guys get there a$$ whipped. On the same hand make a class for his type of tractor. One thing worse than a modified tractor in a class where it don't belong is a so called stock tractor puller crying stock when they got there a$$ whipped. Funny these stock tractors have those road worn uncut tires and who knows what else?? To hear somebody say they are going to have a stock pull only just shows what they really don't know or understand. Sorry, but that my opinion.

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dave

06-16-2002 09:38:49

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Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Old Puller, 06-13-2002 11:54:12

if you like i can show you a picture of my tractor .it is pretty stock,right down to bad compression in the #1 cylinder.i do pretty well at the pulls with itin th 3500,4000 lb class.

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oldtimer

06-15-2002 18:34:02

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Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Old Puller, 06-13-2002 11:54:12

Hay old puller, You must realy have a bunch of a-holes you pull with. We pull stock tractors in low gear with road worn tires, stop by any time and I'll pull the head and pan off my WD allis that has a shelf full of trophies along side my WC allis that has many also. Maybe you just can't read a track ,,tune an engine,or set up your weight and hitch for the day I don't like being called a lier in a sport that I've been in since we used a flat pan and guys stepped on and rode,adding weight to the sled until the tractor spun out or full pull. my$2.98 can't get anything for 2cts anymore OT

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Mike in Mo

06-13-2002 17:09:19

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Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Old Puller, 06-13-2002 11:54:12

Old Puller
No reason to be sorry for your opinion, Yours is worth just as much as everybody elses'. I agree 100 percent about seperating classes by hitch dimensions, tire size, and speed. Using a specific gear is a joke! There are 1st gears anywhere from 1.5 MPH up to 3-4 MPH and on tractors like olivers with no shift quadrant it's hard to tell just what gear somebody is in. The speed horn tells all for a speed limit class. Our club has DIV II for near stock tractors with a speed limit and tire size limit, DIV III for modified engines and cut tires, 3.5 mph, and DIV V for modified engines, no speed limit. We have no rpm or year limits, And guess what --nobody complains!

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Tony

06-13-2002 19:40:39

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Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Mike in Mo, 06-13-2002 17:09:19

Knowbody complains in the STOCK club I belong to either. I will tell you right now. I have pulled a buddy's Oliver 88 in 1st gear and it won the class. I came back the same day on the same track with the same weight on the sled and did it in 2nd gear and it lost 46 feet. The higher gears are not always better. This is the same way with a John Deere A with a creeper gear. They are the best pullers in the STOCK club I belong to. I love my club and we will alow a certain percent over stock because of the FACTORY OVERHAULS. This is just my opinion. It is the best darn club around. !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!! !!!!!

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farmallflogger

06-13-2002 11:16:32

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

Most folks tend to over emphasize horsepower. On 9 out of 10 tracks a 50 hp tractor will pull with a 100 hp tractor given the same weight, tire size, speed and engine rpm. I've seen it too many times. And folks have been modifying these tractors since they were new. Doubt if you'll find enough "bone stock" antique tractors to have a pull. Keep the rules simple and if you think the other guy has an unfair advantage, start looking for an edge of your own.

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G-MAN

06-13-2002 10:58:23

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

I agree with a lot of the points brought forward by various posters except for one, and that is the subject of wheelie bars. I don't see any performance adavantage to wheelie bars, and they make the sport much safer. Most of the pullers today have fairly extensive tractor experience, but there are those that are rookies when it comes to driving a tractor, and it only takes a second for someone to get hurt or killed. There are also those that say they know their tractors well enough to not need the bars, but I will relate what I saw happen at a pull. A gentleman was pulling a JD R, and he had pulled it many times before. Near the end of the pull, the tractor suddenly almost went over backwards. A second before, the front wheels were still touching the ground, and then all of a sudden, the guy was looking at sky. If he wouldn't have been able to grab the clutch lever, I believe he would have gone off the back and things could have gotten very ugly. Limit RPM, tire size, speed and whatever else you want - but keep the wheelie bars.

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Tracy

06-13-2002 11:18:21

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Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to G-MAN, 06-13-2002 10:58:23

AMEN!!! Wheelie bars are just common sense. It would be like not letting the drag racers use their chutes. We have required them this year and I think it is the most important of all the rules out there. Why take a chance on getting someone hurt and ruining the sport all together.

Central Ky. Antique Pullers

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Tony

06-13-2002 10:28:43

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

I love the topic here. This is the exact way the club I belong to is like. It is the MoSAC TPA out of the St. Louis, MO area. That stands for Missouri Stock Antique Classic Tractor Pullers Association. This is my idea of pulling tractors too. I have a Massey Harris 30 and a John Deere A that are both STOCK all the way. You are not alowed to bore your engines unless it is a factory overhaul like in tractors without sleeves. You can not cut tires and can not have suit case weights. If you need weight you have to have the factory or F&H weight and it has to be bolted on. You can not have wheelie bars and your front end can not come any higher than 18 inches off the ground in a pull. A tractor that is 1939 or older is considered an Antique and a tractor that is a 1940-1952 is a Classic. We pull nothing over 1952. The tractors must have all factory wheel sizes. I enjoy pulling in this club so much because it does not come down to who has the most built tractor. It comes down to whose tractor was built for a soft track or a hard track. I love this club because it does not take $8000 to make a tractor. You can buy an old tractor and restore it and have about $2500 in it. This is the best hobby I could have ever gotten into. I wish there were more pulling clubs out there that were this way.

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G-MAN

06-13-2002 10:51:21

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Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tony, 06-13-2002 10:28:43

Who determines what is a factory overhaul? In many cases higher compression pistons were available through the OEM dealers. This would improve performance while still technically being a "factory overhaul". Do you have a tear-down rule in your club, so that if there is a complaint made about a tractor, the owner has to prove that it is stock? There are so many modifications that can be made while maintaining a stock appearance, that I don't see a way to prevent it without a tear-down rule - and who wants to have to take their tractor apart just to keep a $10 trophy? I enjoy seeing stock tractors pull, but finding a truly "stock" tractor pulling anywhere is really hard to do. By rights, if you're going to have a bone stock Deere (or other brand built for burning distillate) pulling and it's an all-fuel tractor, it should be required to run distillate or kerosene, because that's what the unit was intended to burn.
I know that sounds silly, but that's the extent certain people want to go to. I was originally planning a "stock" rebuild of my '48 G, however I know that to be even reasonably competitive in this day and age, I will need a little more than stock performance. I don't plan on winning every pull, but I sure don't want to be last at every one, either. Just my two cents.

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oldtimer

06-16-2002 13:29:06

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Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to G-MAN, 06-13-2002 10:51:21

Back in the late 40's,early 50's,after ww2 we ran our all-fuel tractors on gasoline as things were better on the farm and the war effort didn't need the gasoline. SO burning gasoline at a pull should be legal.Just change the timing and go.

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Get Real

06-17-2002 07:29:45

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Re: Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to oldtimer, 06-16-2002 13:29:06

If you go around telling every body it is stock you are a liar. The tractor was designed and built to burn low grade fuel not gas. Nothing against pulling stock but if you so called stock pullers say stock well live up to it and quite your crying!! Point is there is no such thing as a stock pulling tractor. That's why some rules call out specific gravity of gas is so some of you stock guys don't get carried away!! If you like pulling your tractor the way it is more power to you but save the stock line for someone that believes it.

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Tony

06-13-2002 19:31:50

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Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to G-MAN, 06-13-2002 10:51:21

In this club all tractors are put on a DYNO. You are alowed to have a certain amount of Horse over the factory tests. This alows for any overhauls that may have been completed before you owned the tractor and the High Compresion pistons. These are great tests. They can test the compression if needed. I know it is hard to find a stock tractor but this club is the kindest and most organized club I have ever seen. They are just GREAT. I will never pull with another club.

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Troy

06-14-2002 07:14:51

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Re: Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tony, 06-13-2002 19:31:50

I know people who love the dyno test, and beat it every time with the flip of a switch or two or a quick tweek on a screw. I also like the stock class but wish everybody had a 1-1/2 mph creeper gear.

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G-MAN

06-14-2002 07:23:28

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Troy, 06-14-2002 07:14:51

You're absolutely right, Troy. As long as there are rules, there will be people who are willing to cheat to beat the system. I don't really think it's worth being known as a cheater just to take home a $25 check and a $5 trophy, but that's important to some people, I guess. The best part is they know in their heart that they're not good enough to win any other way.

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oldtimer

06-16-2002 13:38:19

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to G-MAN, 06-14-2002 07:23:28

If your in#1 position after your pull go directly to the dyno if you get off the seat or touch any engine adj your DQ'ed if someone pulls further while your waiting in line your off the hook done it a few times this way keeps a lot of pullers honest

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Troy

06-14-2002 20:10:14

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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to G-MAN, 06-14-2002 07:23:28

You get a money for pulling?!? Ha..Ha.. I totaly agree with you. Some people are too serious about being first.

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farmallflogger

06-13-2002 09:10:16

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

Why not just limit tire size, mph, and rpm?

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Troy

06-13-2002 06:21:22

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

How do you know your tractor is really stock? Unless you've had it apart or know the original owner you don't. There were so many people up grading their tractors with factory overbore kits instead of buying a new tractor. And how many old tractors don't need to be bored or have the head cleaned up a little after they have been tore down? I agree about the stock class being pure stock down to the bone. Happy pulling.

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Pullin' is for FUN

06-13-2002 06:12:34

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

Nice idea but unfortunately, not likely in the real world. Too many want to 'show off', be the best, out do the other, etc. etc. We got into pulling for the FUN, enjoying meeting new people, getting a break from work and the stress of daily life. If we win that's Great, if we don't that's OK too. Rules are (SHOULD BE) made to make each pull (class) equal and competitive [let's not go any further on this subject!]. For money or trophies, it's a sport meant to be FUN for pullers and spectators.

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Tracy

06-13-2002 06:04:22

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

I agree with you on the "stock", "antique", whatever you want to call it...that is a class by itself. We decided in our pulling circuit to have antique, open and Outlaw--that way everyone has a place to pull. In the time that we have been involved in attending and putting on pulls, I have seen that it takes all classes for a good event. If you make more than 1 class--it keeps everyone happy. Those who "come from the farm" is pulling against equals and those who have time to "play a little" will pull against others and of course the other's are the crowd pleaser's. I'm always asked if "the fast one's will be there". Like I said, it takes all kinds for a good EVENT, and we welcome all--it's good for the pullers and good for the crowd. RMP and radar will usually keep tractors in the correct classes. I think most everyone is doing pulling and attending these shows and pulls for the "hobby" and fun of it and we really need to keep this in mind when we schedule an event. The hobby will stand strong and keep growing if we the pullers remember this.

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burns

06-13-2002 05:23:45

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

First I enjoy watching all of the different classes from the bone stock up through the unlimited pro stock. Your discription of what you would like to see is fine for yourself but each tractor is owned by somebody different. That person can do whatever they want with their property. As long as there is a class for them to pull, they should be permitted to pull. I realize that you can "rule" a pull to death to the point where it is cost prohibitive or volunteer unrealistic but basic rules are needed for all classes.

When you can't run multiple classes add a tire size of max 15.5x38, low gear only, and 10% over factory RPM and you have just leveled the playing field between tractors. I witnesses a JD 720 that was just unhooked from the manure spreader out pull a Mod stock, 300hp, Farmall 460 running cut 18.4x38. Why, second gear max.

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Leroy

06-13-2002 03:42:07

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

I agree, I have worked at the pull that my local club has for several years and had my camper even parked at the show, Two year ago they brought in the hot rod pullers without my knowing for the next day, the rudest bunch ever, diden't even want to let me get my trailer, told the club that if they were back I wouldn't be on the grounds that day, didn't take the camper last year and was not on the grounds the day of the hot rod pull, even tho it is my club this year I am thinking about skiping the show entirely and going some place else.

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David Ransom

06-12-2002 21:50:29

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

I don't see anything wrong with people who want to do it that way doing it that way. I think it actually may have already been done. Wasn't part of the Nebraska tractor tests something like that?

Actually, an off the farm tractor could possibly be less stock the older it is as parts may break and get replaced with whatever is cheap, readily available, and does the job rather than with exact duplicates of originals.

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GET REAL

06-12-2002 21:39:37

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Bored to death

06-12-2002 19:47:11

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Re: My ideas on what tractor pulling should be in reply to Tractor puller, 06-12-2002 19:38:46

Most tractors from the factory farmed at least in second gear. What is this a kinder gentler form of pulling? Maybe NTPA will ask the supers to stay in low gear too.

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