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Pace classes vs Mod classes (with a little ranting)

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lars-PA

01-17-2008 16:55:27




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So I moved from Western PA to Central PA this summer and had a chance to attend the pull at the Centre Co Grange. It was the first time I ever attened a pull with a pace class, as most of the Western PA pulls seem to be pure stock, farm stock, hot stock classes and maybe separate classes for antiques.

From a spectator standpoint the pace classes seem pretty annoying. First, people made way too many hitches. Some guys would pull in three or more weight classes both pace and no pace. It wasn't very fun watching the same tractor win six classes.

Second there was a soft spot in the track. A few guys would speed up through the soft spot, set off the pace alarm, and then slow down make a good pull and get away with it. The guys that were "honest" all bogged down in the soft spot and were far short of a good pull.

Now that I griped a bit, what are the good points of pace/no pace vs a stock/hot stock setup? Does everybody like them or not? Is is more fair to base a pull on the setup of the tractors or the speed of the pull?

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MJF

01-18-2008 09:59:10




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 Re: Pace classes vs Mod classes (with a little ranting) in reply to lars-PA, 01-17-2008 16:55:27  
Personally I like the pace classes but thats because I pull low gear farm tractors. Yeah I still get beat but i can usually be close, usually between 3rd and 5th sometimes worse but i can live with that. Mostly because i know it'll go back home and go back to work. The way i see it i paid $600 for my little H and haven't had the engine apart and be pretty competitive from the 4000-5000lb classes. Now when I pull in the non pace classes i don't do as well because i don't have the power to keep the momentum up. But I'll agree from a spectators standpoint it can be boring. thats just my opinion though. Mike

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mshultz

01-18-2008 05:56:16




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 Re: Pace classes vs Mod classes (with a little ranting) in reply to lars-PA, 01-17-2008 16:55:27  
Pace, tire size, tire dressing, and hitch dimentions are the biggest ways to level the playing field in my opinion. The right tire with the right weighting going down the right part of the track with the right driver will win more classes with pace/tire size/tire dressing limitations than having 40 more horses than the rest of the field - assuming you have enough ponies to at least keep close to the pace speed. Pace classes are not great at drawing the average spectator, but they are good for drawing the average tractor as it gives them a place to at least be competitive.

At our local club we distinguish between cut(tapered cleat) and uncut tires for every weight class, and we alternate every-other class as pace/non-pace. Typically the "hotter" tractors also have the tapered cleat, and they pull together against each other, while the "closer to stock..." tractors pull in the uncut tire classes. Every other class they get a chance to open them up it they want to so they can have the horsepower war, but then when we have the pace classes it allows for more driver skill, track monitoring, etc. to be successful. It is a nice variety in my opinion. Sometimes someone who wins the nonpace class easily can end up 4 or 5 down in the next pace class - more strategy involved.

"Stock" classes are a bit of a joke in my opinion as "factory replacement" parts are available for almost every brand that are not "stock" as to the original design of the tractor. Some are noticable with a little knowledge(heads, blocks, manifolds, etc.), while others are not visible by the eye (overbore kits, cams, etc.).

Just my opinions. As long as we get a chance to read the rules and feel we can bring a fairly competitive tractor within the rules, we don"t mind going to pulls that are run differently. Adds a little variety to the sport. I agree with Mel - should be a nice discussion on this topic :)

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mEl

01-18-2008 04:20:11




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 Re: Pace classes vs Mod classes (with a little ranting) in reply to lars-PA, 01-17-2008 16:55:27  
The pace classes are the clubs way of making all the tractors equal (NASCAR car of tomorrow)!!! as are speed limits. Speed will beat good tractor setup most times. That is why a local club that uses these methods of controlling the results usually does not draw big crowds (BORING, some tractors you have to drive two stakes in the ground and sight across them to see the tractor move down the track). In any pulling the same guys are going to win a majority of the time as they are there weekend after weekend refining their skills and a casual puller cannot compete with experience. We pull classes where weight and drawbar height and length are about the only restrictions, We have common sense safety stuff for our type pulling (scatter blanket, wheelies and electric waterpump and fan) Its fun actually building and putting your power to the track. But the sport is big enough for us all, just wish people with the hot stuff would put THEMSELVES in the class where they belong, thats the real problem. We would welcome them. Just adding to your rant. cmon guys light this one up!!!

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mike f

01-18-2008 23:24:56




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 Re: Pace classes vs Mod classes (with a little ranting) in reply to mEl, 01-18-2008 04:20:11  
The pace is a must , its not exciting to the people who dont pull or dont pull on a regular basis, you take a mild div 3 and pull it against a good div 4 tractor that pulls in div 3 and you will see the reason, the lesser tractor wont always win it, but the lesser tractor is right in the placings. And it keeps a guys money in his pocket and still is competitive.



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