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Pulling in the next few years.

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ChadS

02-09-2008 07:58:42




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I really dont know what to say,, but we appreciate it! Im sure "Something Wilder" appreciates it too, but lately, he has been a little shy about speaking in public, or he would tell you himself.

Pullers back then are still mad about a Farmall H that wouldnt quit. A little H that had the reputation of go big or go home. Its a small tractor, but it sure thought it was a big tractor,,,, the way it out pulled its competition. Everybody thinks that we took this POS H, and fixed it up,,,, but, really, Wilder fixed us.

Im returning the favor, this year. If you did not like that H then, you sure as heck aint gonna like it now, and Im ready to hear Wilder run again. That was our flagship of the tractorshop,,,, and soon, everybody is gonna know why that is,,,,

A friend of mine inspired me to put the H back together, sooner than I thought,, but, I see alot of potential in this kid,, willing to learn, and gets his hands dirty. So with all that in mind,, My H, is gonna run, at the same time his Super H is gonna run. One day we said we would get the two tractors together at one pull and have fun. And I think I can do that!

No, your not going to see me in any booth,, at any pull. Pullers know where and how to find me, so I have no need to put Wilder on Display in somebody elses bulding but my own on our dyno, a PTO dyno and you betcha,, at 540. We tell it like it is, and if you dont like, go somewhere else. And we have had to tell people that before,,,,we dont like to,, but nothing else to do,,, and we dont do "easy recommending".

Late last year, I got told in front of group of pullers, that our tractors are lawn mowers, and we need to get over whats gonna happen,,, Well, the lawn mowers been taken off!! And to the fella that said it,,,, wasnt it that H,,, that little H farmll that Whooped on your big Moline and cost you a points championship a few years ago???? So close, but second place sucks, and thats all your gonna see when I get Something Wilder, staged on that blue sled.

Message sent,,,, wating for the reply,,,,,

Lastly,, the magic springs,,,, this is so darn funny I cant type it,, but we have offically named the spring,,,

"The Original,Magic Governor Spring" Comes with its own magic wand and everything!! So you old pullers outhere,,, better watch it,, cause your gonna get turned into a goon!!

You fellow H pullers outhere,, the first KING OF THE HILL at USAP was won by a H. Dont surprize me one bit,,,, does it fellas???

You guys keep doing what your doing,, stay focused on pulling, keep your eyes open, and haul the load. Have fun. ChadS

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N.D. Farmall H Puller

02-11-2008 09:40:46




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
Chad the H is doing pretty good but we are always looking to improve, we are in the process of putting a L.P. manifold on it now see if we can't give it a little more bark. We are pushing right at 42 to 44 H.P. with it now could always use a little more. Thanks for asking



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N.D. Farmall H Puller

02-10-2008 22:02:49




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
As far as I am concerned Old puller and Tom the puller goes if you don't really have anything good to say don't say anything at all. Chad you helped me get my H to were it is today and if I need any more advice you are the person I will be asking. Thanks again for the advice.



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ChadS

02-11-2008 06:45:25




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to N.D. Farmall H Puller, 02-10-2008 22:02:49  
ND, how is that H doing??? What I love about this is that every tractor has a story behind it,,, So much history, so much courage, its a story of survival. Im very happy to have been able to help, we appreciate everything that has gone thru, and we hope that you guys do your best and have fun! Thats what its all about fellas! To come together, have a good time, and enjoy those old metal machines we call tractors. ChadS ChadS3@hotmail.com

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Buzzman72

02-10-2008 14:50:32




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 About ChadS's new math in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
According to Newton's second law of motion, F = ma,

or Force equals mass times acceleration.

So if you lighten the pistons...all else remaining equal...the force at the crankshaft is less. BUT...since the lighter pistons DO have less mass, they accelerate faster from the same combustion force. So the result at the crankshaft is going to be the same, whether the pistons are heavier or lighter.

BUT...since lighter pistons accelerate quicker, they also DEcelerate quicker, as the lower piston weight carries less intertia [from Newton's first law of motion]. So a heavier piston might just carry an advantage in an RPM-limited class when coming to the end of a pull, although I'm not sure whether such an advantage might be measured in feet or rather in mere inches.

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ChadS

02-10-2008 14:09:49




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Gary Baker, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  

Old Puller said: (quoted from post at 12:59:27 02/10/08) Do you have your own laws of physics? ChadBS does. He quit because all of the books were wrong and he didn't have time to rewright them all.


Is that your real name??? Tom is it?? Well, tom,, I lacked 3 credits in my senior year to graduate. I was in my senior year when the school I attended threw me out for having a job that required working early mornings,,, see to attened the school you had to have a job in the real world,, My job, I worked from the time I got to work till the day ended, then get a little sleep and get up in the morning finsih up what ever we had to do and then, go to classes,,, well got to school a couple times tardy,,, even had notes from my employer,,,, but it didnt matter to them,, SO I lost my spot in school over my required job, and being 5 minutes late 2 times in one week. My credits I missed are US History, Economics, and US Government. Before this happened,, I was enrolled to attend Northwestern University, in their auto/diesil programs, in Lima OH, had one years paid tuition paid by hard earned cash,,, but you know what I got??? I got shafted, they said no diploma no classes, no refund, have a nice day. My buddy went to the same school,,,,, graduated in the top of his class,,,,, but the job he has today,,,, has nothing to do with his education,,,, NO,,,, not even a college graduate can get a job in the area he wishes,,,,, why that is we dont know,, but its certainly not from the lack of motivation. So tom you go say whatever you gotta say, like you always do every year at this exact same time,,, I have heard it all,, and so far,, you have said nothing more than the same things you keep on saying,,,, get some new material. there ,now,, happy, I talked to you, I acknolwedged your post, you wont do nothing more than try to be creative and slam me back,,,, one way or another,,, so go on,,,, do it,, impress us with a good slam..... come on now! make it a good one. Tom!!!??? is it? Tom the puller,,,, thats like bob the builder right??? good one! ChadS ChadS3@hotmail.com

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mlpankey

02-10-2008 10:13:14




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
Hey Chad always enjoy yuore post. you have answered some questions ive asked about farmall rods. i have a computer dyno and my friend has a rear wheel dyno. i have found that the computer dyno uses math functions to figure power. the higher the rpm inputed into the equation the higher the power output . the chasis dyno shows that the engine will only turn a certain rpm and horsepower can fall off bad before peak rpm is meet. theres a article floating around in a car magazine that for every cfm the head flows the engine should make 2 horsepower. so 200 cfms =400 hp oh well my wd should be making more who would have imagined .its been narowed down to cam lift and carburation.

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ChadS

02-10-2008 14:26:02




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to mlpankey, 02-10-2008 10:13:14  
MLpankey,,, I remember you saying you were going to put one on a wheel dyno. ChadS



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mlpankey

02-10-2008 16:57:43




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-10-2008 14:26:02  
Chad im not into the bashing or anything else .just want to be clear . if any of my replies were taking offensive they shouldnt be . cant answere for the rest . im a trial and error guy with alot of emphasis on the error side. alot of people call or ask questions to me because anything that could possibly go wrong usually has . oh well thats my life story. gonna be changing a starter ring in a few days and a ring gear after that.

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ChadS

02-10-2008 17:24:17




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to mlpankey, 02-10-2008 16:57:43  
ML, no offence taken sir! Chad



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ChadS

02-10-2008 07:27:40




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
4 and 20 blackbirds all baked up in some humble pie. I took mine, alamode. They made a stand that day,,,,, those fellas worked hard in the trenches at Hartford KY for years. It was their day, they came in with a plan and got the job done. ChadS



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Old Timer

02-09-2008 18:56:46




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
That's all well and good----But you seem to have forgotten about a couple of little John Deere B's from Iowa. Someday's it's the other guys turn to win. You do the best you can and somedays it's just not enough.



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james rumph

02-09-2008 18:41:56




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
Chad:

I have been trying to send you a email to your chads@hotmail.com and it keeps coming back. I have a couple questions for you in reguards to my project !

"AND" never mind these A-holes .

opions are like A -holes theres to many ..



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ChadS

02-09-2008 18:17:21




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
I look at an engine turning 8000 rpms VS an engine turning 1500 rpm as two different sciences. We get into some scuffles on here dont we??!! LOL! and im not mad at anybody who teaches a diffucult student how to do things.
I think its great that technology has brought out the 200 hp M, and the 140 hp WD,, I think that its great that they did that, but to me, its just another high rpm dyno pull we see all the time on TV or read about it in some magazine,, how fast can they spin?? Is always the question answered.
Technology hasnt proved anything yet in the heavy pistons/ heavy rod theory, but if I can make em, Id try em!! And Id do what I could to help it work. Granted, I wouldnt know what Id be looking at until the day comes that we get to test something like that out,, but we have seen it done in the turbo diesils,,, and it worked real well in creating torque on the low end rpm band. At least, thats what it acted like on the tracks,,, on a dyno,, well in time a dyno is being built to handle a pro stock engines power and harness it,, channel it,, and improve it,, but till that happens,, legends will come and pass, rumors will come and go, and time, is the only thing that stood up to the test.
Who is right??? nobody at the moment,,, but its up for discussion to prove it. if we never questioned whats facts, how do we know its the best answer? we wont yet,,, hasnt been done yet in an antique. ChadS ChadS3@hotmail.com

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mlpankey

02-10-2008 09:53:11




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 18:17:21  
a d17 engine is capable of 209 hp if the science is right . thats the 226 four clinder.



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ChadS

02-09-2008 17:50:37




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
I know Im stubborn. ChadS



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stonerock

02-09-2008 08:39:50




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
well done chads alot of though and hard work pays off to be a winner. i pull farmall m never won yet but i keep trying. good luck



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N.D. Farmall H Puller

02-09-2008 08:29:34




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
Congrats on the pulls you have won with your H. I also pull a H I am sure it is nothing compaired to yours but it does really well and we always looking at ways to impove our performance. So here's to you Chad and your H keep on Pulling.



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ChadS

02-09-2008 08:07:52




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 07:58:42  
One more thing fellas,,,, I took no offence, so dont feel bad that this got hacked up the way things do sometimes. No harm, no foul and keep asking questions!!!!
Frankenstien A,,,, got a question on that math I came up with???,, it may not be what your used to,, but it works for me and our antique technology. But, that older post you brought up,,,,, yes, Id like to recap it,,, So go on,, hit me up on it..... I once knew of a great JD A,,, a nice unstyled,, 90 hp anyday of the week on the dyno,,,, so much went into that machine, that he traded it for a darn U moline. Never got to see all the hard work that man put into it,, never really pay off,,,, it would have been a true winner. Chad

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Frankenstein JD-A

02-09-2008 12:05:24




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-09-2008 08:07:52  
Chad, I"m not trying to pick on you or be mean. I"m not saying you trying to help people on here is bad. I AM saying, however, that you should make an honest effort to post ACCURATE information. Everyone is going to make mistakes, but when you do, you admit you were wrong and go on. Point being, when you post incorrect information and multiple people correct you, you admit you are wrong and move on. YOU DONT get hard headed and ignore what people are trying to tell you!!

I have no problem with people doing things different or trying new stuff. You say your math works for you. BUT HOW DOES IT WORK WHEN YOU GET A COMPLETLEY DIFFERENT ANSWER!?!? That is the same as 99.9% of the world saying 2+2=4, and then you say 2+2=3.47, and you think you are right and the other 99.9% of the world is wrong. And when you were told in the thread I posted earlier that you were wrong, you werent just told you were wrong. It was explained how you were wrong and how to do it correctly. Granted, some people cut you down, say you are wrong, and leave it at that. Its completely different when someone tells you that you are wrong, says why you are wrong with examples, and then explains the correct way to do it. Are you so hard headed that you simply cant/wont listen to someone trying to explain....HELP YOU with something?? You took age old ways of calculating horsepower, changed it, came up with a totally different answer, and claim YOUR way is the right way. I dont get it.

Its the same thing with your theory of heavier pistons and rods making horsepower. YOU think you are right, even after several people reply to your post and disagree with you, citing the same laws of physics that have been around for many, many years. So who is right; a bunch of physicists who have studied physics over a number of years and agree on the basic laws of physics....OR....some guy from Indiana with a H-Farmall and a dyno?

What was the point supposed to be with the story about the JD US-A?

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ChadS

02-10-2008 08:41:28




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Frankenstein JD-A, 02-09-2008 12:05:24  
SO, I went back and did some reading. At the time, I wasnt about to listen to what you were saying. First off got to disputing a M bores potential, then an AC HP output, then on how it was dynoed, then how it would look if it was thru a PTO dyno in a certain chassis. Was quite a jumpy subject thread, with so many topics in one. My focus was on the PTO results.

I still wish to continue my objection on a pto dyno result and a cell dyno result,,, they wont be the same.

I read somewhere,,,, on a ford 331 ci stroker. Making 530 hp and only have 386.5 ft lbs of torque. Naturally aspirated. HP is a factor of torque and rpm. Place the torque up in the rev range, and HP will be gained in abundance.

They reved this little ford up to 7200 rpm, at 5200 rpm, they got 383 hp 386 ft lbs of torque, 6200 rpm, 456 hp, and 386 ft lbs of torque, now scearm it to 7200 rpm, 530 hp, and still 386 ft lbs of torque.

The torque curve stayed consistant thru the rpm range, but the HP skyrocketed with rpm. The thing about it is,, if thats compared to a factory producion crate engine, rated for normal usage, it would be rated for the lower rpm level,, mainly what,, a 5500 redline for this engine,,,,, at 5200 its 383hp. the redline factor is the rpm keeps changing, the torque stays the same, but the HP is out of sight. but, the lower rpm speeds tell the real tale,,,,

which brings me back to why I was so ticked off in the first place in that discussion,,,,

RATED RPM. FACT.... you can rev an engine up as high as you can go inthe chassis, but you cant test the higher rpms hp on a pto dyno. the way the pto dyno works, that will not be allowed,,,,, the reading on the pto dyno is always gonna be lower than rated rpm pto speed at higher rpm,,,,, thats the way the dyno works in this case,,, or in may case,,, LOL!!

Im redlined at rated rpm for HP testing. My dyno reads hp at 540, pto speed, which means the harder I pull it down the lower the rpms go,, and the higher the HP reading go on the guage. This gives me the rpm ranges from stall speed to what ever the chassis gives me for the engine speed at 540 pto speed. the readings are higher as rpm drops, below 540,,, above 540 and its gonna read lower,, not enough pressure to show a load,, thats the weak link,,, in testing higher rpm on a 540 scale dyno,,,, now, flop the shaft over and run it on the 1000 rpm side,,, dont know what it would be,,, but you should be able to test it at the higher speed, if your engine can spin the 540 pto fast enough to get an accurate reading.

Now this is two topics in this discussion,, I know the pto story, but were talking about the physics of the magic, of rpm.

ChadS ChadS3@hotmail.com

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Tom the puller

02-10-2008 09:18:57




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to ChadS, 02-10-2008 08:41:28  
You still don't get it. Just give up, your not smart enough to understand what everybody else already knows.



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Old Puller

02-09-2008 15:58:26




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Frankenstein JD-A, 02-09-2008 12:05:24  
ChadBS didn't even finish high school.



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Mpuller

02-10-2008 18:03:40




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Old Puller, 02-09-2008 15:58:26  
Old Puller, That was a low blow, sir. Very uncalled for. Very immature post on your part.



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bigjohn 3

02-10-2008 17:01:55




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Old Puller, 02-09-2008 15:58:26  
Old Puller, Please take your juvenile trash talk someplace else & leave this site for grownups. Thanks.



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molinesam

02-10-2008 16:40:11




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Old Puller, 02-09-2008 15:58:26  
Old Puller, My father had to quit school to help raise his younger siblings. He's a great man & did what he had to do. You disappoint me in making fun of someones hardship. You remind me of kids in grammer school that teased anyone that wore glasses or maybe stuttered. I hope you're a better man than that.



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Dangerous

02-10-2008 09:22:39




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Old Puller, 02-09-2008 15:58:26  
I didnt finish High School myself, does that me less a person than you? Maybe you should take a good look in the mirror.



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Old Puller

02-10-2008 11:59:27




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Dangerous, 02-10-2008 09:22:39  
Do you have your own laws of physics? ChadBS does. He quit because all of the books were wrong and he didn't have time to rewright them all.



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ollie 88

02-10-2008 16:54:16




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Old Puller, 02-10-2008 11:59:27  
Old Puller, Your post isn't funny & is mean spirited. A man of your education should know better. What do you have to show for your wonderful high school diploma? Can't we disagree without being disagreeable?



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stonerock

02-10-2008 12:46:58




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to Old Puller, 02-10-2008 11:59:27  
i see you still have a fan club chads. at least they are leaving me and my hitch alone. stonerock



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ChadS

02-10-2008 18:15:22




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 Re: Pulling in the next few years. in reply to stonerock, 02-10-2008 12:46:58  
Stonerock, I ran a htch very simular to your setup. I hung the support off the pto bolts.. dropped the bracket down made two adjusters, one on top, one on bottom, but never clear thru the drawbar,,, I had to reenfore the bolted area around the pto,,, so I found that the inner bearing race for the H was the same ID as the pto housing,, so I set it all up, welded the ring from the inside to the hitch and the ring takes the stress off the bolts. The bad part about this on an M,, or even a 400-450 is the bolts themselves,,, the holes in the pto on the M are adequate to hold but the threads can pull in the castings,, so I always had to go up to the next bolt size,, Id even add a couple more in the M rear end housing if possible. But a hitch like that would be ok where we pull at,,,

you know the typical disclaimer,, right,, but have seen that design work well on IH chassis. The strangest hitch Ive ever seen though,,,, was an IH drawbar assembly mounted up to a JD and pulled off the axles instead of the lower half of the rear end housing,,,, like a farmall does. That must work or something,, cuase it sure does make the JD pull pretty good. Beats all I never saw though,,,,, LOL! test em tune em,, but dont let somebody be stupid and break one on purpose,,, you know the limtations of your design, so be known what its capable of. JMHO. ChadS

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