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DQ'd

06-17-2002 14:05:16




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THE Mighty Massey at SATPA DQ'd Saturday with Mr. Plyer driving - dropped a weight - Now, ain't that embarassing????




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sandlapper

06-17-2002 16:51:04




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 Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to DQ'd, 06-17-2002 14:05:16  
What about the low gear rule? Should it stay or should we just go with the 3MPH rule for stock tractors. My two cents worth go with the 3MPH rule, if you got the power show it.



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Split Both Ways

06-18-2002 07:16:52




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 Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to sandlapper, 06-17-2002 16:51:04  
Tough call. 1st gear PULLING or 2nd gear POWER. SATPA, CATPA, etc are PULLING associations, right? Sure it's nice to see the POWER but shouldn't it be the driver's ability to show us what they can do by reading the track?



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Flat Broke

06-17-2002 20:04:51




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 Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to sandlapper, 06-17-2002 16:51:04  
I think they should go with pulling in low gear only.Simply because alot of people do not have the financial resources to put all that money into a motor.After all thats why Mr. Plyler started this pulling thing so the little man can pull with " the man with the money".Really they are not out pulling anybody with all that power they are just out running them.Let's see what them boys or girls can do when it comes down to pulling instead of going faster.Hey we're not racing here.

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Not a millionaire

06-19-2002 09:52:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to Flat Broke, 06-17-2002 20:04:51  
I can appreciate pullers wanting their kids to pull grandaddy's old tractor and be competitive, but if your'e not competitive at 3.5 mph, you won't be at 3 or 2.5 either. I really can't believe that anyone who wants to pull can't compete in this class. My tractor will pull second gear but I can't tell you how many times I've been beat by slower tractors. I've pulled with 5 different associations this year and hear more rule bickering at SATPA than all the rest combined. I feel like the 3.5 mph limit rule is pretty much idiot proof.

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Flat Broke

06-19-2002 19:36:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to Not a millionaire, 06-19-2002 09:52:50  
Maybe you're not a member of those other pulling associations is why you don't hear the BICKERING! I'm sure there is BICKERING everywhere because ya can't please everyone all of the time.I hope you ain't trying to change my mind cause opinions are like they say, all people have 'em.And I never said I wasn't competitive.



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ihcSuperM

06-17-2002 18:51:49




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 Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to sandlapper, 06-17-2002 16:51:04  
I think it should stay 3.5 MPH also. A few years ago, the same ones whining about this thing were the ones that wanted the 3.5 MPH. I guess some people just can't be satisfied with anything.



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farmallflogger

06-17-2002 22:53:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to ihcSuperM, 06-17-2002 18:51:49  
Hey ihc Super M,

Did yall ever have any luck electing a board of directors, or at least letting pullers vote on new rules? I keep hoping things will change for the better, but sounds like it's getting worse. I know that a lot of us work hard to be competitive. It's not just money either it's a lot of trial and error and hard work. The ones who let their iron sit in the barn all winter holler loudest when they get beat. This area has a lot of pullers, and really NEEDS a good place for antique pulling. SATPA could be, and should be it. I'll keep my ears open, and by the way a certain SATPA puller gave me some carb advice a while back that was right on the money. Hope to pull against yall somewhere this year. Take care!

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an idiot

06-18-2002 10:15:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to farmallflogger, 06-17-2002 22:53:29  
If you have different classes by tractor weight and whether or not it's stock, why not have yet another class for unlimited speed? Or wouldn't there be enough tractors per class that way?



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SATPA PULLER

06-18-2002 14:01:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to an idiot, 06-18-2002 10:15:46  
I've talked to a lot of the old tractor pullers who pull John Deeres, Farmalls, Allis's, Ollies, Fords, MM's, Avery's, Cases, you name it. From what I can gather, the 1st gear rule is probably the most unfair rule ever written for an antique association. Some of these tractors I'm learning in 1ST GEAR run as slow as 1.2 MPH and in some cases where the tractor came equipped w/ 26" rubber and you change that to 38" rubber tall profile and you can get as much as 4 MPH in 1ST GEAR!! Last time this issue surfaced among the SATPA pullers, the pullers as a majority felt so strongly that we even all chipped in $20 each to purchase the speedometer and horn. Some of that majority has gone to other clubs due to changing the ol'time rules. I certainly hope we aren't faced with this same occurence again. I think this quarrel over gears/speed is being brought about largely by some of the more recent to join SATPA pullers, which we are thankful for and enjoy pulling with them. Their comment is, I quote: "These kids can't pull with these other tractors running 3.5MPH or better." I recently saw on television a t-ball game where the stands emptied in a major fist fight on the diamond. Guess what, there wasn't one kid on the diamond. It was all mommas and daddies. Back to the speedometer. I remember on more than one occaision, it was felt by many pullers that a particular tractor pulled the sled absolutely no doubt much faster than 3.5 MPH and pretty much waxed the field. In most cases, this was a visitor and he left with 1st place. Upon asking him, did he have his tractor in 1st gear, of course he said yes. That was the end of the discussion. Had there have been a Speedometer, simply put, there would have been no discussion. This rule, I think, is virtually unenforceable. Prior to the speedometer, it has always been left up to the hook man to determine whether or not a puller was in 1st gear. We have 4WD truck participants as the hook man on occasion. How are they suppose to know what the gear pattern is on a tractor? How about them kids?? They don't know either. By the way, neither do I. Also, with regard to finances, with the cost of 1 tube of silicon glue and a few pretty tough hours of work, I can fix your tractor when you stick it in first gear position, it can be in any gear you want it to be in.

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New Member

06-19-2002 14:03:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to SATPA PULLER, 06-18-2002 14:01:40  
It's not us. Show me the power!



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FLAT BROKE , ME TOO!!

06-19-2002 11:35:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to SATPA PULLER, 06-18-2002 14:01:40  
It really isn't that expensive to build a stock-pulling tractor if you do it right the 1st time. Work and experience are the main ingredient, NOT money. I can't count and probably neither can you, how many times I've heard "you can't choke down our old tractor in 2nd gear." That was before they finally hooked to a pulling sled only to go about 100 feet and be clutching to keep the engine from choking. To often, many pullers restore a nice old tractor and decide to go tractor pulling. They show up at the pull with a really nice old tractor with probably $2-$3 thousand bucks they have spent doing a good overhaul on it using only the best OEM parts. Trouble is, a neighbor's identical tractor who spent a few hundred dollars more or some cases, even less on his tractor, picks up the front end and keeps on going, where the OEM guy is clutching. This is when it becomes expensive. They have to go and re-spend that $2-$3 thousand bucks to catch the neighbor's tractor. So it isn’t all about money, experience is a big help.

In response to SATPA PULLER, I’d also like to address those who refer to the youngsters pulling. I hope dad and granddad realize that their 13 or 14 year old will be getting a drivers license and becoming more interested in girls sooner than you think. He’s more likely to remain an avid puller if when the hook drops, he is not thinking to himself, boy I hope this thing don’t choke down. Rest assured if it does, you will soon be going to a tractor pull by yourself.

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Agent Orange

06-19-2002 19:46:42




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to FLAT BROKE , ME TOO!!, 06-19-2002 11:35:45  
WOW, It ain't no better yet! What is all the hassle? Don't you run stock and super both in each class? why not run your 2nd / 3rd gear runs in the super class and let the stocks run 1st gear. Seems you are chasing your tail. Had lots of fun at SATPA last year, having fun else where this year, variety is the spice of life.



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farmallflogger

06-21-2002 09:45:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to Agent Orange, 06-19-2002 19:46:42  
Hey Orange,

Bet you can't guess how many time the 460 with flames on it at Statesville pulled the TA last time. Wonder what gear he's running in? Looked to me like that gear shifter was forward. So much for low gear only.



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Agent Orange

06-22-2002 19:48:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to farmallflogger, 06-21-2002 09:45:36  
Hey dude, I don't pay too much attention to what they do in classes I can't compete in. I did take 1st at North Brook last week in 3700#. Had a blast!!! Finally figured out the hard dry track. Will you be going to Denton to pull with the OTTPA? See you at the track.



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deere slayer

06-24-2002 03:16:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to Agent Orange, 06-22-2002 19:48:58  
hey orange every dog has his day. lol



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LET EM ROLL

06-20-2002 16:06:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to Agent Orange, 06-19-2002 19:46:42  
FORGET THE RPM, GEAR, TA SHIFT, MPH, AND WEIGHT RULES. PUT EM IN ROAD GEAR AND GET OUT OF THE WAY!! WHEN IN ROME ACT LIKE THE ROMANS.



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Goldsburg

06-21-2002 13:45:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to LET EM ROLL, 06-20-2002 16:06:04  
Let 'em roll -

If you did that, then none of them would make it "out of the hole"! Not much of a tractor pull!

Regards,

Goldsburg



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Huh Oh

06-17-2002 14:20:17




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 Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to DQ'd, 06-17-2002 14:05:16  

Well who hollered DQ?



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Hook Man Hollered DQ

06-18-2002 07:06:46




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 Re: Re: Mighty Massey DQ'd in reply to Huh Oh, 06-17-2002 14:20:17  
Wavy hands and yelling DQ, Dropped Weight, DQ, DQ



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