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37 JD A

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hunter 1

03-17-2008 18:25:27




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Ok, I have decided to build my 37 a into a puller.
I have a heisler head for it, have a late A camshaft. What to stroke it, but don't want to have to grind alot off cam, and want it to be dependable.
Need help on figuring stroke and rods and pistons to use.
Thanks for any help.




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kendak

03-18-2008 16:28:37




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to hunter 1, 03-17-2008 18:25:27  
better have very deep pockets ...a 37 was what I tried before i ran out of jingles...take care ..Kent



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LHOSEY

03-18-2008 08:11:59




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to hunter 1, 03-17-2008 18:25:27  
I HAVE A 1936 A FOR SALE 9 1/4 BY 5 3/4
CALL ME.
AT 616 437 4302



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Big Juggs

03-18-2008 17:33:01




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to LHOSEY, 03-18-2008 08:11:59  
How bout bigger yet??? 662 cubes! Ready to ride!



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jdjack

03-18-2008 18:36:10




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to Big Juggs, 03-18-2008 17:33:01  
Do you still have your tractor for sale?



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Big Juggs

03-18-2008 18:46:12




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to jdjack, 03-18-2008 18:36:10  
yep, sure do. Tractor is ready to roll, hop on, turn the key and pull!



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jd b puller

03-17-2008 21:45:18




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to hunter 1, 03-17-2008 18:25:27  
-- 9" crank - Keith Merfeld (563)582-8710
-- Bore it to 5.75" - Keith can do it, I can do it here. But you'll probably have $100 in shipping each way. If you have it done locally, make sure they can bore at least 6" with no hesitation.
-- Pistons - I've got some 5.75" ones left that are too tall for a B but work good in the A's.
-- Rods - 329 JD rod and your A rod bushed down or billet ($$$)
-- camshaft clearance - Keith can do that too - will same you a ton of time.

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Hot Rod A

03-19-2008 00:14:16




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to jd b puller, 03-17-2008 21:45:18  
Do you have a styled A heisler or an unstyled? If you have the unstyled, I would consider selling it and use the money towards either a #1 power block, or a styled heisler. I'm not knocking heislers, but on the unstyleds, the domes that stick into the compression chamber really can cause some problems when you start upping the bore by anything worthwhile, not to mention doing a nice big valve job becomes more of a pain as well. If you can't find a #1 power block, the stock block from your 44 will bolt in, just have to switch heads and upper water pipe to styled parts.

Also, I personally wouldn't do the 9" crank with 329 rods. Either go 9.25+ with the smaller rods, or 9" with 3" journals. No reason to weaken the journals if you're not going over 9", and trust me, there is ample room at 9" with big journals, and you can still turn it hard too--I've hit 2,000 on a number of occasions, been running the same motor for 9 years now, and thats the setup I'm running.

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hunter 1

03-19-2008 18:28:41




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to Hot Rod A, 03-19-2008 00:14:16  
I guess I want to go with a 9 inch crank and 3 on journal. About how much are billet rods?



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Drew

03-21-2008 15:12:50




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to hunter 1, 03-19-2008 18:28:41  
The rods for what you want are going to be in the $900-$1000 range.



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hunter 1

03-19-2008 17:14:48




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to Hot Rod A, 03-19-2008 00:14:16  
Hot Rod A or anybody else.
What rod do I need for a 3 inch journal?



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Hot Rod A

03-19-2008 18:15:25




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to hunter 1, 03-19-2008 17:14:48  
Small block Deere bottom end, stock A top end (I believe mine were 4010 Diesel rods, been awhile ago). If you can keep your rod thickness around .250 at the thinnest point at the top, and the cam above .600" thick, you shouldn't have any durability/longevity concerns unless you have something drastically wrong elsewhere.

Also, if you go that route, be sure to drill a hole through the top of the rod and bushing (top meaning as the rod would be sitting inside the motor) and countersink/chamfer it so oil can splash into it to lube your wrist pins, as when you go with the 2pc rods you sacrifice the original through-rod oiling system.

Make note though, that the cam thickness is if you mill it on top and bottom. Do not turn the entire OD of the cam down. It only needs to be taken down on two spots 180 degrees from eachother for each rod. You may also need to do a slight bit of clearancing on the cam lobes, but it is minor, and all depends on what your rods look like, as well as where you have them centered relative to the cylinders.

Drew's billet rods are very well done, and are definitely worth the money, but if you're on a tight budget, unless you're planning an extreme motor, 2pc welded rods should be sufficient. Some guys swear by them, others at them. Personally, I've been running mine for 9 years in the same motor, lots of hooks, run it hard, haven't had any issues at all.

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Drew

03-19-2008 17:36:52




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to hunter 1, 03-19-2008 17:14:48  
Billet rods. On mine w/ a 9.125 crank, 3" pin I used a Clevite CB-675P bearing (IH-DT466). If you use this bearing in a 1.75" wide rod, you can squeeze a .275" radius in on the crankshaft. The bigger the radius, the stronger the crankshaft.

A lot of guys running cut 'n weld rods on a 3" pin use a small block JD big end. If you go this route, you are going to have to grind a lot on the rod, or cut it off the camshaft.

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hunter 1

03-19-2008 18:19:10




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to Drew, 03-19-2008 17:36:52  
Thanks guy for all the help.



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hot rod ?

03-19-2008 07:19:36




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to Hot Rod A, 03-19-2008 00:14:16  
Hot Rod A, he said he wanted to minimize cam clearancing, hence the smaller journals with the 9" vs. 3" journals.



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Drew

03-19-2008 10:49:48




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 Re: 37 JD A in reply to hot rod ?, 03-19-2008 07:19:36  
I agree with Hot Rod A, go with the 3" pin. With the rod clearenced in the right spots, a 9.000" stroke, 3" pin should clear a cam that is .750/.800 thick.



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