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FarmallFred

03-28-2008 17:10:41




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Last pull I was at with my M, I ended my pull by lifting my front very little, and did not break my rear tires loose even slightly. It simply tried, but powered out. My M with the pump removed etc... shows hp in the mid 50's on a dyno. The way I see it, my tractor was well balanced, what else could I as a driver done to get me closer to the front of the pack. Do I simply need more power, or a little "drivers education?"

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james rumph

03-30-2008 04:16:13




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-28-2008 17:10:41  
I pull a 52 Super M that the pump removed is the only weight savings i"ve done. It has 16.9-38 24 degree field and road tires that are 95% tread.

I have front, mid and rear weight bars. With 10 psi in the ties and 400 lbs on the mid bar and 100 out front, me shifting my weight foward in the seat will lower the front end. It is amazing that the balance is that close that my weight can do that. Mine is stock stroke, stoke rods,stock cam with alot of attention put into the 450 "gas" head and pistons. The carb is done very well as well. A good governor spring is a must "see Chad" but you must turn the rpm done with it "in the governor" because your stock cam doesnt make power above 1850 on the dyno.[ Torqe #s fall off fast " I by know means have done this for along time but applied my drag racing to this with great success.

It"s the same you must build a combination that works together. Lucky for me to have some great people around me to keep me going in the correct direction.

I won"t say how much power i make but it is at least double what stock was.

A good hot spark is also very important , MSD is the way to go.

I think seat time is the best thing in this sport. Every time i think i know the set up "WRONG" every track is a little differnt.

I have been out pulled by tractors with 1/2 the power because of a better setup and drver.

Make sure you get the compression up and you have good rings in the motor" file fit them your self" the kits ring end gap is out of spec.

I have had more fun doing a motor that "isn"t" stroked with a stock cam and out pulling big dollar machines. It is still a wet block and drive it in the local Merorial Day parade. Have pics!

Great sport "Good Luck" .

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yellow is good

03-29-2008 18:39:26




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-28-2008 17:10:41  
OK I need a little Driver training tooooo 6000# and 7000 # pure stock U302 minnie 58 hp on dyno with 13.6.38 23 degree armstrongs about 95% tread never lifts the front end have hitch at 20 in. high have tryed 18 in. back two 36 in. back on real hard tracks I win every time spins out on average tracks can someone tell me were to go next!!!! BIG TIRES ? !!!!! thanks Bob

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The Dukester

03-28-2008 19:24:55




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-28-2008 17:10:41  
At 50+ horse on the dyno and 6000 lbs. that M should rip it's tires loose in low...you sure you weren't in 3rd by accident? At 50+ horse my '51 John Deere G with 14.9's spins out on all tracks so far at 6500 lbs. and usually either just barely lifts the front wheels if the track is good or not at all on poor tracks. Our '47 Minnie UTU at 6500 lbs and 44 dyno hp lifts its front wheels on all tracks and often out pulls the G. We pull our 40 horse M with 13.6's at 5500 lbs and it usually just barely lifts the front wheels just before spinning out. We pull in low 99% of the time with all the tractors.

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FarmallFred

03-28-2008 17:39:58




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-28-2008 17:10:41  
18" hitch, 6000#, hitch just beyond radius of tires, 15.5x38 tires. Thanks



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TDM

03-28-2008 20:28:49




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-28-2008 17:39:58  
Had the same problem, if you are 18" from center of axle, with only 50 hp you probably need to go to 20" from center.I don't know if you have a stock cam , but you can get a cam that will give you 10 more hp and it will be like a different tractor. Might be a little fuel starvation to, but not enough info to go on. Sounds like you're hooking just a little too good, maybe up the air pressure a tad bit. From the post above, if you're spinning out with a 40 hp M, you're not weighted right or running way too much air in the tires. Some people would rather spin out than be embarrased by an underpowered tractor.

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FarmallFred

03-29-2008 03:43:43




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to TDM, 03-28-2008 20:28:49  
TDM, sounds like you already fought the fight I am currently fighting. Do you have an email or # that you are willing to post so I could contact you? Thanks for the help.



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supermpuller

03-29-2008 12:42:42




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-29-2008 03:43:43  
If you are a little short on HP. drop your hitch down 1/2 inch.



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TDM

03-29-2008 04:44:18




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-29-2008 03:43:43  
Give me a call at 703-431-9981, if I don't answer, leave message I'll get back to you.



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560 Farmall Puller

03-28-2008 17:32:08




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-28-2008 17:10:41  
Depending on how heavy of a class you were in it sounds to me you need more ponys. Also were you in low gear.



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ChadS

03-28-2008 17:23:00




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 Re: Drivers Training in reply to FarmallFred, 03-28-2008 17:10:41  
What size tires, and what kind of hitch is on it? How heavy? ChadS



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