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Beading a tubless tyre

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Bill from Scot

06-17-2007 15:03:53




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Hi Guys
Had real difficulty inflating a tubless front tyre the other day, just couldnt get it to seat. Eventually managed with three tie straps and one of those canisters that blast lots of air in one go. Anyway I have just been told you guys inflate these by spraying a little ether then igniting it when doing field repairs. Is this for real or is someone having a laugh with me.
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Bill

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RWT

06-18-2007 20:10:20




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
A guy I know was seating racing Jeep tires. He couldn't get the ether to go and got too close went it did light. Took part of his finger off when it did seat. He had to break the tire back down to get the finger out.

RT



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iowa_tire_guy

06-18-2007 20:16:11




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to RWT, 06-18-2007 20:10:20  
That is another reason I can't do it. I am standing so far back I can't hit the tire with the match and if I did the flame would be out.



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RAB

06-17-2007 23:18:37




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
Top Gear, I think, a long time ago. Did a thing on Iceland off-roaders. Seemed to be the standard way of fixing a tyre after being forced off the rim (REAL low pressures used for extra traction). Not the sort of thing for regular tyre changing or all the tyre companies would be using that method. Clean rim, ratchet straps, plenty of lubrication, no valve core, high pressure in air line (for high rate of air-flow ) and bounce the wheel gently to settle tyre to rim until it just seals. THEN lower the inlet air pressure before seating beads (safety).
Regards, RAB

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noncompos

06-17-2007 21:28:28




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
Ive changed a few that were faily flexible, not really tough,stiff truck tires: run a heavy chain around the tread; run a threaded rod thru one end link(held by washer and nut on that end of rod) and through a link on other side, leaving 6-8-10" space. Run nut and washer down other end and tighten (use a short piece of pipe as a spacer to give you wrench room). Tightening squeezes the center of the tread, pushing out the sidewalls enough to hold air.

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old

06-17-2007 19:55:02




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
Yep its for real but, to much and your dead to little and its a no good. Done it a good nuber of times on truck tires and have had good luck most of the time but have also had a few fly off the rim and got lucky that it didn't take my head off



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glennster

06-17-2007 17:17:10




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
its real and it can be done. i use the ether method on occasion, usually when im in the middle of nowhere with a flat or with high ply tire. its dangerous, if you are not careful you can take your fingers off when the bead pops. the valve core must be out when done so the tire doesnt over pressure. best to have someone thats done it before show you. dont try it yourself.



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Coloken

06-17-2007 17:10:46




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
Me and a station had problems once on 4 new tires that had been stacked. We put and inter tube in it and blew it up to spreed the side walls. Let it set in the sun for 30 minutes and got them on that way.



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1936

06-17-2007 15:57:14




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
That would be a BIG NO. Saw the tire and rim inprint on a 14 foot sealing due the wrong size tire that was put on a rim and inflated. It went up and bang at the same time. He lived with some damage.



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iowa_tire_guy

06-17-2007 15:21:02




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
Yes it is true that some use ether to pop tires to the bead. There is no way that it can be done safely though. I would NOT recommend that it ever be tried by anyone. Men have be crippled and killed by using it. Tire shops have tools and experience to get it done safely. One trick I use if I have time is to put an tube in the tire and inflate the tube to push the beads out an let it sit (in the sun preferably) for a few days. That retrains the beads to stay out.

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Gerald J.

06-17-2007 15:11:19




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 Re: Beading a tubless tyre in reply to Bill from Scotland, 06-17-2007 15:03:53  
I've read of those using ether. Of course if you put in too much you need new ears, maybe an arm and a tire.

Mounting tubeless tires is worth the price of admission to let a tire shop do them.

Gerald J.



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