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Tom

06-26-2003 04:19:37




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I have filled my tractor tires 80% full with plain water. Now, if I don't move the tractor when the temp is below freezing, do I have to add antifreeze?? I have heard the biggest problem with ice inside a tire is cutting the tire when moved, not blowing the tire. Thanks.




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buickanddeere

06-29-2003 20:50:53




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 Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 04:19:37  
If the tire is overfilled they can will blow after sititng in the hot sun. Seen it on my uncles 520 with the corn scuffler mounted on it at the time. Calcuim killed the grass and started a rust problem on just about everything on that tractor. Corrosion will occur as long as there is free oxygen inside the tire. Fluid above or below the rim makes no difference. Put a tube in the tire and save yourself the slow leaks and rim rusting. A little o2 diffuses it's way through the tire. Over the years along with other chemical reactions using little or no o2 will pin hole a rim. Go with dry mid to premium quality radials, save fuel and increase the crop yeilds.

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Paul Janke

06-26-2003 20:18:27




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 Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 04:19:37  
There is a way around having to put something in which will freeze. Just keep the tractor in a nice heated garage. The wife's car can stay out. It doesn't have fluid in the tires. PS. Don't let her know my name.



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Tom

06-27-2003 09:02:40




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 Re: Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Paul Janke, 06-26-2003 20:18:27  
Paul, I would rather drink the antifreeze than put the bride's car outside. It would get really cold inside and out quickly..



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ted

06-26-2003 15:57:39




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 Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 04:19:37  
Use calcium cloride for balast instead of water/antifreeze. Probably cheaper anyways. If you run tubeless you want them filled to just over the rim (prevents corrosion), with a tube you can fill them at any level up to just over the rim. With radials you may not be able to load them up as much?? Ask a tire dealer. There is little corrosion if done right and you wash any liquid off the rim whenever you check the air in the tires(you also must use pressure guage made for calcium filled tires).
The liquid doesn't hurt the tire and rides just as good, maybe even a little better since they are more stable(less side to side sway when carrying large 3 pt equipment). If you are against calcium I would look into adding cast weights.

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Tom

06-26-2003 06:38:02




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 Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 04:19:37  
Well, I guess that answers my question, in spades. Many thanks. I was desperate to get some mowing done after being put very far behind by incessant rain for months. My owner's manual said to fill a Mimimum of 75%, but no more than 90%. 75% is to the valve stem. Says to cover the rim to prevent corrosion. Easy to put in water as a stop-gap measure, and I was not set up to add antifreeze at that time. So, I guess I fall into the old addage that an idiot follows the wrong instruction to the letter. Before winter, I will put some antifreeze in the tires. Again, thanks to all.. Bubba

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paul

06-26-2003 13:18:45




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 Re: Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 06:38:02  
No idiot. ;) You did fine for summer, & easy to leak clear water out anytime.....

I'm curious about that 90% liquid deal - had never heard that before. Is this a typical farm tractor, or a light compact? Most of us here are talking about older heavyweights, which have tubes anyhow. Also, for rust to form you need oxygen, & there isn't much in that air pocket so generally corrosion isn't a big deal even in a tubeless. As I have had it explained to me.

--->Paul

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allisguy

06-26-2003 06:11:30




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 Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 04:19:37  
Tom, Perhaps you should start asking the questions before you do the project.



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Another Tom

06-26-2003 05:30:16




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 Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 04:19:37  
Yes you need antifreeze. Why did you put in water without antifreeze? Total mixture should not exceed 70-75%. With tire mounted upright and valve at the top, you should have only air at the tire valve. If you have water/antifreeze mixture, then drain some out. Tires need a large air chamber to properly flex.



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Roy in UK

06-26-2003 05:40:28




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 Re: Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Another Tom, 06-26-2003 05:30:16  
I know a guy over here who water ballasted his rear tyres to the maximum, because there was very little air in the tyres it caused so much vibration the windows of his cab fell out!



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kyhayman

06-26-2003 20:44:23




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 Re: Re: Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Roy in UK, 06-26-2003 05:40:28  
I've heard that it could cause a rough ride. On the other side of that I bought a 7710 Ford with Michelin radials on it, could stand it on the road. Thought the same thing, too much liquid. Went to stop one day with 2 wagon loads of roll bales on fronzen ground (about 25,000 pound). No luck. Found our the tires were completely empty. Put an 80% fill with 300 pounds of CaCO3 in each tire and it smoothed out. Pulled the radials and put bias back on with the full fluid load and smoother still.

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paul

06-26-2003 05:11:28




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 Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 04:19:37  
I live in Minnesota, so your question is not even a consideration. Why do such a thing to a tractor? What happens to the metal rim? What if you realize you need to move the tractor - then what?

I am not a fan of antifreeze in tires, but I'd put in a bit of something to at least keep it slushy & not freeze solid.

--->Paul



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paul

06-26-2003 05:14:16




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 Re: Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to paul, 06-26-2003 05:11:28  
PS: you said 80% full already, most tire companies prefer you stay at 75% - if you add more, you might want to drain a little water first. Very hard on the rubber if there isn't enough air cushion.

--->Paul



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rustyfarmall

06-26-2003 04:42:32




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 Re: Water in tractor tires in reply to Tom, 06-26-2003 04:19:37  
Water expands when it freezes, could cause major problems, definetly need to add anti-freeze!!



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