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Doug Doughty

09-02-2003 10:49:25

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I have a 1960 MM M5 with original tires (38-155 I think). The rear tires sidewalls are cracking and one is weeping calcium cloride. The other tires valve stem is leaking a tiny bit. I would like to do some light duty hobby farming on 5 tillable acres. I don't even have a plow or disk yet. What are my options?

How long might the weeping tire last? Could I add air to minimize sidewall tire flex? Replace the rear tires with tube or tubeless? Drain the calcium cloride and use them "empty" for a few years? Drill and insert new valve stems?

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Doug

09-16-2003 08:11:29

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Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug Doughty, 09-02-2003 10:49:25

Tire repair update:

Both tubes were leaking, one at the valve stem, one in several places. Each tube had 2 very old patches. The repair guy said the tires did not look that bad and that he could put them back on without a problem. He cleaned up the rims and the tire beads. One stem hole was enlarged by rust. We rigged up a rim stem hole patch with a large 4" Aluminum washer pounded to match the curve of the rim. Then Held in place with some JB Weld. So I got away with only two new tubes (for now), refilled with CaCl. Took about 3.5 hrs. Now we are clean, dry, and good to go. ;)

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Doug

09-03-2003 08:23:05

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Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug Doughty, 09-02-2003 10:49:25

Thanks for all the replies guys. I'm a new to tractor ownership and appreciate your input. I'm asking around to see who can do tractor tires onsite in SE WI. I'll discuss my options when he looks at the tires/rims (15.5-38, approx $275 for just tire).

The most appealing option seems to be to drain and remove both tires, clean & paint both rims, patch (or make new) stem holes if needed, remount old tires with new tubes, and refil with the tire guys fluid of choice.

I could clean, sand blast, prime and paint the rims myself possibly. This would require the tire guy to make at two trips out to my place. I do not weld (yet), if the stem hole needed patching I would have to take the rim off and haul to a shop.

Any additional thoughts, comments, helpfull hints, instruction are most welcome. Thanks again.

Doug.

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ATW/WA

09-05-2003 01:49:35

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Re: Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug, 09-03-2003 08:23:05

Doug, You could save the cost of the service calls by taking the tires in to the tire dealer. I pull the outside dualies off frequently for trailering, I pulled all four rears off for the same service you are talking about. Loaded them on to the trailer by myself too. I'm only 140#, a very tough 140#, but most of it is technique. If the tire starts to fall get out of the way! I have a neighbor who occassionally helps me with tires, my brothers work well, but I find most people can actually make it harder than doing it by myself because the do not know how to work loaded tires. You don't horse them around, you ease them and guide them.

HTH ATW/WA

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Tom

09-03-2003 06:02:56

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Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug Doughty, 09-02-2003 10:49:25

As others have said. Get it fixed quickly before you lose both rims. If it were mine: remove CA, tubes tires. Clean rims, prime rims, paint rims. New tubes. New tires-but if you are skrimping use old ones. Refil with water and antifreeze mix. I quit CA years ago. Water and antifreeze gives pretty good weight, and does not ruin rims if you have small leaks in the future. All the tire stores around here have quit the CA, they all use the water/antifreeze mix now.

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paul

09-03-2003 06:53:43

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Re: Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Tom, 09-03-2003 06:02:56

Antifreeze is a toxin (even the lower toxic types) while CC is not. Can be an issue if you have a major leak.

All the tire shops would shoot me (figuratively - I hope) if I showed up with antifreeze & contaminated their CC supply. It's all CC 'here'.

CC is about 11 lbs per gallon. Antifreeze is less than 7.

Just different points of view.

--->Paul

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john

09-02-2003 20:19:57

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Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug Doughty, 09-02-2003 10:49:25

call me the dummy if I missed something here BUT you said one is leaking around the valve stem and you want to drill and put another in. DO YOU HAVE TUBELESS. I would say no and only tubeless have valve stems mounted to the rim. SO this means your tubes are leaking. the valve stem is part of the tube.surface cracks mean nothing on a slow rpm tractor tire as long as it is not deep cuts.remove rims and take to a truck tire repair shop. (call ahead to be sure they will take your size tires) have them dismount the tire and look at the rims inside. calcium cloride will eat up a rim real fast.have rims steam cleaned; sanded; sand blasted; painted as needed per their condition. have orignial tires remounted with new tubes (calcium cloride if you like) and install on tractor. they will also come out to your place and do repairs on site if you do not want to remove from tractor yourself for a extra charge.then enjoy for years to come. P.S. tubes can be repaired with patches but since they are 40 years old just replace to be safe. HOPE THIS HELPS.

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kjm

09-02-2003 18:03:37

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Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug Doughty, 09-02-2003 10:49:25

Doug, The CC is leaking out of the tube into the tire then to the outside thru the easyst route to the out side. In other words you have a flat,around here a repair with cc is about 70.00 plus milage here I paid 35.00 last summer with no cc and I took it to them. LOL KJM in MO

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paul

09-02-2003 16:04:15

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Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug Doughty, 09-02-2003 10:49:25

You have to stop the leaking on both of them. It will eat up the rims this way. CC is good weight for a tractor, but you have to maintain the tires. Stop the leaks. Money is always an issue, but if you buy new tires & tubes now, you'll be good to go for a long, long time. The one you might just be able to replace the valve core, the weeping one????? Can't tell without seeing it, sounds like it might not be worth too much monkeying around. Maybe perhaps it's just time to bite the bullet.....

--->Paul

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ATW/WA

09-02-2003 13:12:02

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Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug Doughty, 09-02-2003 10:49:25

Doug,

For your application the sidewall cracking may only be cosmetic. The leaking calcium needs attention, now!

New tubes could last another 40 years, but the leaking calcium will eat the rims within a year or so, such that they have to be replaced.

My tire store was able to sand blast and paint the rims and rinse the residual calcium out of the inside of the tires. The tractor had to sit on jack stands for a week to allow the paint to dry before they reassembled and put calcium back in. But I know short of a puncture the tires, tubes and rims will last another 40 years at my expected usage.

New tubes: $30-$45 each. New rims: $175-$250 each.

HTH ATW/WA

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Ben in KY

09-02-2003 12:11:32

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Re: Leaking Rear tire in reply to Doug Doughty, 09-02-2003 10:49:25

One possibility is to drain the calcium chloride out, brush and paint up the rim real well, and put tubes in the tires. This will last for a while and you can put the calcium back in or not, your choice. Of course the best solution is to replace the tires.

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