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CaseSC

12-07-2003 16:33:17




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just looking for some advice on hauling...looking to start up a small business in hauling, maily in the New England area.. would this be a good idea you think??...somewhat profitable?? what type of setups are suggested overall...pintle hook, gooseneck, ect.... thanks for any advice in advance




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Newgen

12-08-2003 05:05:00




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 Re: Hauling in reply to CaseSC, 12-07-2003 16:33:17  
The minumum requirment for liability insurance is $750000 if you cros state lines. This is a federal law. Even if you have FHWA {formerly ICC} authority, some states also require something. You will also need an IFTA {International fuel tax agreement} license. With this you have to file quarterly reports.
All this ins't nearly as complicated as it sounds once you get used to it, but the insurance is expensive.

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Greywolf

12-08-2003 06:22:27




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 Re: Re: Hauling in reply to Newgen, 12-08-2003 05:05:00  
I'm not pro-rated. MN commercial plates only. Before I could get the plates, had to have insurance in place, 750,000. Deputy registar and my insurance agent is the same person.

It's the rate of premium for the distance traveled from home that gets expensive. I'm insured to a 150 mile radius from home. Yearly cost for full coverage PD plus the liability end with 5,000 cargo on both the trailer and tractor (88 Pete 377 and hopper bottom grain trailer) is $1850 a year. Was going to go on a trail ride in OK from MN last year and use the Pete, had get the OK from the insurance company, not the agent, to be covered. They said go and have fun, it's a personal trip not commercial.

There are only a couple states that require more, it's been 15 yrs since I ran interstate as an owner operator, but even at that time, the ones that required more, it was usually incorporated witht the individual fuel permits, not all but most.

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Greywolf

12-08-2003 04:38:48




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 Re: Hauling in reply to CaseSC, 12-07-2003 16:33:17  
Check with the state as far as insurance requirements.

Minnesota commercial requires 750,000 liability, not 100,000. I can't even use my car to do field sampling for Seneca unless a min of 500,000 is in place. But that's Seneca's ruling.

When I got the semi to haul grain, state minimums were 750,000. So check with DVM as to what the minimums are in your state. Might be less with a pu/gooseneck not sure, but check the state ruling/requirements.

Best place to start is with the ICC. Interstate commerce commision. Usually, things associated with agriculture since the deregulation of the trucking industry don't have as many hoops to jump through for authority. You can get authority to do the US as a whole instead of each state individual.

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john

12-08-2003 08:24:27




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 Re: Re: Hauling in reply to Greywolf, 12-08-2003 04:38:48  
Yes you can get authority to do the US as a whole (ICC#)instead of each state individual; but then you can legally only haul interstate. To haul intrastate you need authority from that state.



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john

12-07-2003 22:40:22




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 Re: Hauling in reply to CaseSC, 12-07-2003 16:33:17  
Sorry to be so long winded but here goes..... ..
Things you will need;
1) to haul interstate you need a ICC # (federal authority) fairly easy to get.
2) to haul intrastate you will need in state authority from each state you use. Usually very hard to get. In fact most times you need to buy a company to get their authority. Yes intrastate authority is only good in that state. Want to haul intrastate in another state and you need a separate authority from that state.
3) Now you will need a truck, size and type will depend on what you want to haul. Working capital to keep this truck on the road till the money starts coming in.
4) Insurance; $100,000 liability minimum just to get a tag and cargo insurance to cover what you will haul.
5) CDL license with proper endorsements for your type of truck. 6) IFTA or fuel bonding so you can file your fuel taxes for every mile you run in each state.
7) A commercial base plate that is apportion for every state you will run in.
8) A log book and the knowledge of the new rules that take effect on 1/4/2004 so you can stay legal.
9) Many of out of state contacts so you can get back hauls or a broker to find you loads. This way you will not have to dead head home every time.
10) Now you can figure your cost per mile and try to set a rate that will cover this yet be low enough to keep others from undercutting your rate.
11) A wife and kids that understand to make money in trucking you need to truck; not sit at the house and spend quality time with them. (MOVE THIS TO # 1) 12) A lawyer and CPA to keep your paper work straight.

OK; so you still want to do this. Yes you can make money at it if you can stay loaded and running or it will just be a hobby. My suggestion to you is to find a company that does this kind of work. (such as a hot shot firm) Lease on with them with the option to bring in your own loads. This way they will take care of # 1,2,4,6,9,12, and sometimes 7. The way it works is they will hold out a percentage of money on loads they give you and you will pay a percentage (not the same amount) of loads you bring in to cover the cost of above. This way you can get your feet wet and learn all the ins and outs of the business building your contact list all the while. Then when you think you are ready you can set out on your own taking your contact list with you.

Hope I did not leave anything out but know I probable did.

Do not want to scare you just give you the facts. There are trucking firms going bankrupt every day because of fuel prices and insurance cost so just make sure you know all the facts before you jump into this. But on the other hand this may be the best time ever to start this with the new HOS rules. They estimate we will need many more trucks just to haul the freight we now have. (maybe even driving rates up)

Wish you the best of luck.

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kyhayman

12-07-2003 19:57:01




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 Re: Hauling in reply to CaseSC, 12-07-2003 16:33:17  
Trucking can be a profitable business, to make real money you need size. Lots of competition and as the other posts said a whole host of legal issues which vary as you cross state lines. I do a lot of hauling for myself and also use a huge variety of contractors. Best bet is a straight truck which is below CDL. I'm moving to this for all the interstate work I possibly can, it is way simpler. You wont get rich but can do ok. Main thing to keep in mind is you are no longer in the farming business when you start hauling (even if it is farm stuff) you are in the trucking business.

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rustyfarmall

12-07-2003 18:38:35




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 Re: Hauling in reply to CaseSC, 12-07-2003 16:33:17  
The first thing for you to do is to get your rig registered with the department of transportation, get all of the proper permits, numbers, etc., but before you can do that you need to have about $100,000 liability, and at least $10,000 cargo insurance, and no, your current insurance carrier will not write that kind of insurance. You will need to contact a commercial carrier for that, and it will cost you about $6,000 per year. I know this for a fact, I looked into it myself. Just one more way the government stops the little guy from ever getting ahead. By the way, the insurance companies do not like goosenecks.

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hmm...

12-07-2003 19:20:36




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 Re: Re: Hauling in reply to rustyfarmall, 12-07-2003 18:38:35  
why don't insurance companies like gooseneck setups?



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Mike

12-08-2003 16:03:25




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 Re: Re: Re: Hauling in reply to hmm..., 12-07-2003 19:20:36  
Most gooseneck are usually overloaded and greatly exceed the manufacturers towing capacity of the tow vehicle. Look at a the towing capacities of the one ton pickups,most are around 15000 give or take. 8000# pickup,plus a 4500# trailer leaves a net load on the trailer of 2500#. Most of them(mine included) are grossing 20-30,000#. Some states(mostly east coast) are now checking pickups pulling trailers and fining for exceeding manufactures weight rating and the DOT is pushing for 50 state compliance. Nothing like a 10,000# overweight ticket to take the fun out of a $250. hauling job.

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Eldon (WA)

12-08-2003 17:42:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Hauling in reply to Mike, 12-08-2003 16:03:25  

I believe 1 ton trucks have a GCVWR of well over 20,000.....



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Ron 1456

12-07-2003 18:13:36




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 Re: Hauling in reply to CaseSC, 12-07-2003 16:33:17  
It would depend on what you wanted to haul and how much you wanted to invest. If you were thinking of hauling tractors (like M"s and 8N"s) how about a single semi tractor and a single axle dropdeck trailer with a beavertail and ramps. You would have air brakes and could scale 48-50K. If you bought a used semi and a trailer like the ones made by Jet it would probably cost you less than the price of a new pickup. I have seen a few of the single axle trailers on the Taylor and Martin truck auctions. Check out www.jetcompany.com and www.taylorandmartin.com

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Les...fortunate

12-07-2003 17:30:37




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 Re: Hauling in reply to CaseSC, 12-07-2003 16:33:17  
I don't know if there's any money in it but I hope you do it. I'm in New Hampshire and it's a distinct possibility that I might be looking to get something hauled from another part of the country.



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