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Dan

12-12-2003 12:40:31

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Buddy's new Ford with 20k is showing 5% diesel in the oilpan,Dealer told him to keep an eye on it. Never had a problem like that with the '01 Ford he had.They are not building them better.

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Navy Chief

12-13-2003 05:52:03

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

Dan;
Hi from Chicago. I am an marine engineering(Diesel Propulsion)instructor for the Navy stationed here at Great Lakes. I am also a Cat amd Cummins factory certified technician for both Marine and Truck applications. If your friends dealer is telling him to keep an eye on 5% fuel oil dilution, he seriuosly needs to find another dealer. As some of our fellow board members have stated below, you will begin to disintegrate the bearing surfaces in the engine. Also as stated before, it will wash the cylinders, and the list could on and on. If there is 5% showing, then oil should have been drained and the problem troubleshot and corrected, not "Well keep an eye on it." Yes I am Cummins owner, my '99 2500 4x4 has a 137849 mis on it, and I do watch it like I watch over my kids and sailors. That is sad excuse for customer service and standing behind your product in my opinion if they are telling him to "Keep an eye on it"
Respectfully
Eric

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david val

12-12-2003 23:19:37

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

generally speaking, a 5% fuel in oil is not enough data. operating hours or milage are important also.
actually,any modern engine that "doesn't use a drop of oil" must have a pecentage of fuel in the oil, because 'oil consumption' is required on engines for a good cylinder wall lubrication, so it's normal for engines to use some oil, and it's fuel in the oil in engines that use no oil.
david

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ffk

12-12-2003 19:59:15

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

this is a navistar problem no a ford problem they didnt torque the injectors properly their is a tsb on this if the dealer cant fix it he needs to get rid of his mechanics and hire new ones their most likely ase dummies

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RJ-AZ

12-12-2003 18:05:54

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

I was surfing the Ford truck pages a week or so ago and there was a discussion on 6.0L fuel injector leakage and cylinder washdown problems. It sounds like Ford is using an old GM trick form the 5.7L diesel days of seeing if they will run long enough to get out of warranty.

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Mike

12-12-2003 16:45:39

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

This is a fairly common problem with the 6.0,Caused by fuel rail leakage,(so my dealer told me)this and the auto-destuct turbocharger,and the shuts down for no apparent reason made me sell mine with 5200 miles on it.

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KURT(MI)

12-12-2003 16:02:07

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

Is that the Navistar Diesel engine or a Cummins? I would think that the dealer should have done more then say "keep an eye on it" I would tell your buddy that he should drain out that oil in about 300 miles or so and check it for diesel. Then if it is go to the dealer and say fix it.

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Chris Brown

12-12-2003 15:30:08

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

A little fuel in the crankcase shouldn't hurt it as long as he gets it out and fixes the cause.It happens to tractors quite often.Usually a good operator will notice the low oil pressure and stop and check on it long before it blows chunks. I have had three tractors in the last few years with bad seals in the injector pump leaking fuel into the crankcase.One little 4 cyl ford was so diluted it didn't have enough compression left to start.New pump a good oil change it's still running strong with very good oil pressure today. Usually on pickup engines it is the diaphragm type lift pump that goes to leaking. I have only been around one 6.9 or 7.3 that had a bad injector pump. I know nothing about the 6.0

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Tom

12-12-2003 15:28:30

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

I have been wondering about the new engine. How can 6.0 replace a 7.3? What's the comparison as far as specs?

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Jeff

12-12-2003 15:01:41

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

I agree with them buying the motor back or putting a new one in your buddies truck. One reason people buy diesels is the longivity of the motors. We have a 96 Ford and a 96 Dodge and so far both are good trucks. I read alot about the new 6 litre ford and on paper it looks really good but it is always better to wait a couple of years to buy something like that as there are usually bugs in the first year or two that have to be worked out.

I never did figure out why though? I would think that within a year or so of testing and development I would find most anything that could go worng with something. Hehe maybe these companies need to start hauling tractors in the summer to test things huh? :)

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DaveWis

12-12-2003 17:34:15

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Re: Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Jeff, 12-12-2003 15:01:41

I think the reason is over dependence on testing by computer simulation. That is not to knock computers, only to say the old method of actually operating them for 100,000+ miles for testing instead of 20,000 miles and 80,000 miles on a computer simulation program is much more of a test as to how they will actually work out.

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Shane

12-12-2003 14:20:17

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

There was a discussion just a while back about these trucks, look in the archives. If you ask me I would demand Ford fix your buddys truck, any diesel in the oil will eat up the internal bearings and such. Just another reason I drive a Chevy, ha ha!

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John

12-12-2003 17:29:20

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Re: Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Shane, 12-12-2003 14:20:17

I know a guy with a dura that this same thing happened to.

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mike

12-12-2003 12:46:31

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Re: 6 litre Ford in reply to Dan, 12-12-2003 12:40:31

Saw in a trade industry magazine that ford has
been forced to buy back over 500 trucks with
the new diesel,ford is laying people off around
here.(ohio)

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