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Dave Grubb

01-12-2004 15:56:11




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I was born, raised and still live in PA.
The Wheatland style tractor was not known to me until I started hanging around here.
I don't recall ever seeing one here (PA) and I am a bit confused as to why.
I am in hill country and standard tractors are a problem because of the high center of gravity. My father began changing from Farmall to Allis Chalmers in the late 40's because of the lower center of gravity and power shift wheels.
Wheatlands seem to be a "natural" for our hills---why didn't they show up here?
What made them popular in the wheat fields out west.
Virtually all that I see listed for sale are located in the major grain growing areas of the US and Canada.
The closest thing we had were Orchard tractors.
All information would be appreciated.

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jed

01-13-2004 09:50:38




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  
I have seen a fair amount of Wheatland tractors here in Western, Pa. The Farmall W30, W40, the W4 , the w6, the wd6, the w 9 to mention a few. They are pullers and power plants for sawmills , etc.



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buickanddeere

01-14-2004 05:55:08




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 Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to jed, 01-13-2004 09:50:38  
A couple of local collectors imported the oddest looking tractor. The big Deere two cylinder diesel work tractor of the day in the 70/720/730 with a narrow front? Kind of looked like a kids tricycle pulling a plough beside our standards. And the wide front end version's axle looked like a hurried after thought that would break off on a bump. That is it didn't fall over from a high center of gravity first. Could not imagine 1010/2010/3010/3020/4010/4020 as a narrow rowcrop. Seen the 1st one in real life two years ago on a suburban vegetable/fruit farm with a mounted planter. Now the little 50/520/530's used for light jobs and scuffling crops with a mounted cultivator. Never seen on of them with a wide front until again a collector imported one. The 60/620/630 were kind of a mid size compromise tractor.Narrow row crop for the 2nd odd job tractor, never seen a wide front rowcrop. And Standard Chassis if it was the farms main work tractor. The little Dubuques like the M,40,420,430 came in as utilites and standards. The occassional T with either wide or rollomatic fronts in tobbacco/vegatable country. Row crop utilities uncommon, V and high crops unheard of. Contractors had some JD crawlers for small jobs.

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550Doug

01-13-2004 07:17:33




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  
In the 40's and 50's my father and our neighbours had tractors to PULL implements, hence no 3pt hitches, but I don't ever recall refering to these tractors as Wheatland (maybe Standard). However by the mid 50's some farmers were buying 3pt hiches on their new tractors, but they also had to buy a whole new set of implements (costly). This also may have been a factor why I don't see many Wheatland tractors from that era with factory 3pt hitches. It makes sense that the wheat farmers of the plains and praries needed larger implements and hence 3pt may have been a later development for them. However, I still like the BRUTE look of the Wheatland!

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JMS/MN

01-12-2004 23:06:52




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  
Wheatland (standard) tractors were meant for drawbar work. Built lower, heavier tractors to increase pulling capacity. No adjustable wheel widths. Rowcrops are more nimble, shorter turning radius, have adjustable axles to match various row widths, are made for mounted equipment- especially cultivators and CORN PICKERS! Can't do that with a wheatland.



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Joe (Wa)

01-12-2004 19:16:49




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  
I know what you mean about those steep slopes. I was born and raised in W Pa, still got one leg shorter than the other from walking around them ridges. Nothing but row crop tractors, mostly narrow front JD's. Contour plowing was an adventure, never did roll one though. Joe



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Farmered

01-13-2004 05:35:54




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 Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Joe (Wa), 01-12-2004 19:16:49  
Joe, How did you get back with one leg shorter than the other? Did you have to walk all the way around the hill? I seem to remember having one drive wheel off the ground with a JD 45 combine. Had to drop the header to keep it from going over. Boy! did we live dangerously?



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Joe (Wa)

01-13-2004 07:51:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Farmered, 01-13-2004 05:35:54  
Yup. That short leg thing started back in the old days when gas prices spiraled up to 14 cents a gal. Us poor folks had to walk.

Them days everywhere you went, church, school, mailbox was all uphill...both ways. So folks learned it was shorter walking around the ridges than over the top, like the great circle route ships sail crossing oceans.

Legs just adapted to ridge running. Just one of them evolution things I guess.

Joe

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Paul in Mich, not Pzul

01-13-2004 11:45:48




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Joe (Wa), 01-13-2004 07:51:58  
We in Mich spell really well, we just can't type as well as we spell.



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Pzul in Mich

01-13-2004 11:43:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Joe (Wa), 01-13-2004 07:51:58  
The only bad thing is that you have to continue around the hill to go home since comming back the way you started would cause your body to be almost perpendicular to the hill since the short leg would now be on the low side. That is unless of course you might walk home in reverse.



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Joe (Wa)

01-13-2004 18:20:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Pzul in Mich, 01-13-2004 11:43:47  
Now Pzul..uh Paul 'course you have to continue around the ridge. To doubleback is twice as far as one way, ain't it. Us ridgerunners ain't anywhere near as dumb as we look....Hmmmmm mm??? Something don't look quite right there.



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i r baboon

01-12-2004 18:23:27




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  
like u, am realizing how provinchial i have been. grew up n. tx, family in w. tx, never saw d jd, bn jd, etc. my world seemed to be only trs i drove, or family or neighbors had. makes this site SO MUCH FUN & WISDOM. THANX, ALL



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I.M. WEASEL

01-13-2004 06:04:07




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 Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to i r baboon, 01-12-2004 18:23:27  
It is a big world out there isn't it.



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Nominday

01-12-2004 21:01:43




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 Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to i r baboon, 01-12-2004 18:23:27  
Hey brother I. R., Maybe you were just too busy messing with those little sporty cars and airplanes you like, you had a close neighbor with an LA Case wheatland tractor. Jim Washburn even BALED HAY with a New Holland motor baler behind the LA; he just stuck it in fourth gear and used the throttle for a "variable speed" . . no power steering, he had muscles like Popeye!



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John Ne.

01-12-2004 17:49:11




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  
The wheatland tractors, like the JD D, 80, IHC W series, the many Case, Minne's, fit well in the huge fields out here. 100 acres in some areas is a pretty small field. Most of these didn't turn too short, because they didn't have to. Everything hooked to the drawbar, discplow, disc, combine, so setting wheel width never entered into it. Whever row crops are the predominant, fewer of the big standards can be found. John in Ne.

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RayP(MI)

01-12-2004 17:22:38




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  
Wheatland tractors were designed to do one thing well - pull at the drawbar. They were typically low to the ground, which means minimal clearance, many had non adjustable wheels, were not provided with mountings for cultivators, etc. This made them very useful for plowing, and tilling on the prairie, but not very versatile for row crops, or the many tasks called for in the farms of the east. Maybe someone has a better answer?

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Paul in Mich

01-12-2004 18:50:40




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 Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to RayP(MI), 01-12-2004 17:22:38  
Ray, You are right as to the use of what many call "Wheatland" tractors. They were also referred to as "Standard". They are recognized by their full fenders, low seating, although John Deere had High seat versions, Wide tread tires, and were in general made in higher HP models than the Row Crop tractors made for straddling rows of corn, beans, sugar beets, sorgum and other like crops. Row crop tractors came in the standard tricicle, wide front, single front, and Hi Clear versions. Depending on your farming operation, you may have all Wheatlands if farming only grain as in the wheat belt, or all Row crop if the operation consisted of mostly corn and other row crops but could also include wheat, and other grains. Here in Michigan, there was a cross over in that one could find both on any given farm. The Standards (Wheatlands were used primarily for Grunt work such as Plowing and fitting ground, while the Row Crops were used for planting, cultivating, and lighter work. But to answer the original post, Wheatlands and Standards were the same, while Rowcrops were just that. The other tractor that found its way was the utility type such as Ford, and Ferguson. Later on, other manufacturers built a utility version themselves. Some models of the same manufacturer made a version of a standard, row crop, high clear, and utility. Some even added a crawler to the mix.

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Dan

01-12-2004 16:51:37




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  
Out here in western Canada a RC model is rare, in fact its a bit of a novelty, if one shows up at a show it gets alot of attention.The models that we have in standard treads are Case DC4,most of our 2 cyl. JD's are standards as well as Massey Harris and IHC's.The only narrow front I know of is a JD H and this is in an area with many collections. Dan in Alberta.



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Mr. Green

01-12-2004 16:42:24




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 Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 15:56:11  

Do you grow more row crops in PA? Like corn? Wheatland tractors will not work for most row crop work.



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Dave Grubb

01-12-2004 17:03:11




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 Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Mr. Green, 01-12-2004 16:42:24  
And there might be the answer!!
I was not aware of that. We do grow a lot of row crops from corn to potatoes.
Thank you :D:D:D



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Hayman

01-12-2004 17:28:52




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 Re: Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Dave Grubb, 01-12-2004 17:03:11  
Where I live on Vancouver Island rowcrop tractors are too scary for me.I had an I.H. 504 tricycle.There are just too many hills, holes,dips,roots, trees,and other obstacles for a rowcrop to show it's "stuff". I must add that mostly due to modern transportation and tractor collecters that all models can be found virtually anywhere.I have a J.D. model D and my neighbour has a restored unstyled G.These types of tractors were unheard of around here till recently.

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Loon Yi

01-13-2004 23:05:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Hayman, 01-12-2004 17:28:52  
Were there many roll-overs with the tri-cycle front ends back in the day?



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Dave Grubb

01-14-2004 05:37:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Wheatland Tractors in reply to Loon Yi, 01-13-2004 23:05:34  
That was always a concern with the tri-cycle front ends. We went to wide front ends on the second Allis Chalmers (WD-45) in 1953----and never looked back.
Interestingly enough we were always aware of that danger and only rolled one---and that was not on a hill---nor did my brother or I do it---the old man managed to do that one.
Funny only because he wasn't hurt---except his pride---and not much damage to the tractor.
I was probably 10 at the time and we were running wheat. The combine at that time had a bagging floor and I was on the bagger. I did something wrong---have no idea what anymore--and Pop was looking back and giving me what for. He failed to notice the corner coming up and ran over a road bank---laying the tractor on the side.
Apparently I had enough presence of mind not to laugh at that moment----I'm still alive. I do remember my brother and I yukin it up in the barn afterward when Pop wasn't around :D

Overall I think more got turned over acting dumb with a front end loader than anything else.

For the really bad hills we had a Cletrac which is what both my brother and I started on---and ya I have one today ;)

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