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Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of water

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Mike Linderman

02-20-2004 14:44:01




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Sure could use some advice. I have a Farmall H that was parked about a year ago. It ran fine when parked. Went to start her up and engine was siezed. Pulled plugs and found 1 cyclinder full of water unsure if it was coolant or not Radiator is full also Crankcase had water in it. I filled the cylinders up with penetrating fluid for the present. P.S. I nerver worked on a tractor before but have some experience with cars. All advice appreciated. Thanks.

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Mike Linderman

02-27-2004 14:13:21




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  

Thanks everyone,

After 1 week of soaking in oil I filled the engine with vinegar. I dind't have any turpentine or I would of tried that first. I let her sit for 2 days and tried turning her over no luck. I dropped the oil pan and with a Brick and a scissor jack I jacked up on the #4 Rod Journal and she freed up covering me in vinegar from the cylinders. I let her turn over for a couple minuts using the starter and will put her back together tomorrow and see if she fires.. Damage.... Thanks for all the information. I'll post results tomorrow.

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UNCLE

02-21-2004 18:11:01




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
If all else fails, remove the cylinder head, soak in penetrating oil of choice , but vinegar is my choice...remove oil pan and place blocks of wood on the ground and a bottle jack atop them and jack up on the crankshaft next to the connecting rod , jack up the front wheels a little, then measure to the top of each piston top from the top of the engine block and use a lead driver to drive the piston down, measure OFTEN to see when it moves , all you want to do is get it started moving , then use this procedure in reverse, hone the cylinder if it's crusty....this method works when others fail...I know, this H had mud dauber nests in one cylinder and that was the good one , the others were worse...

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Dean Minnesota

02-21-2004 10:02:42




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
I bought a stuck H the first week in December. Its been soaking with mineral spirits, atf, and paint thinner since then. About two weeks ago I added turpentine to the mix. I have a pipe wrench on the crank with a 7 foot steel post bolted to the pipe wrench and a five gallon bucket of paint hanging off the end of the steel post. I have another 8 foot steel post stuck in the rear wheel with the tractor in gear and another 5 gallon paint bucket hung off the end of it. I still haven't had any luck freeing up the engine, however it has been fairly cold here in Minnesota this winter and I am sure that that reduces the chemical reactions to a crawl. I think my luck will change once the weather warms up a bit, say by April or so.

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Bernie in MA

02-21-2004 08:17:07




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
I freed up a John Deere 420 (vertical engine) last year. I bought it stuck. The head was off and the pistons had been covered with Kroil for a while. I plumbed an old 20# propane tank into the bottom hose outlet in the block and filled the tank and block to the top with water. I heated the tank and got the water boiling. I did this several times during a week. The Kroil started seeping down. I then drilled holes in a piece of square tube that I put across the top of the cylinder so that the holes lined up with two head bolts. With scraps of square tube on top of the piston I tightened the bolts and the piston started down. I changed to the other piston before it bottomed and before long I had it spinning with the starter. I used wood blocks at first but they squashed. HTH

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Mike Linderman

02-21-2004 07:16:18




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
I would like to thank everyone for the advice. I'll let everyone know how this turns out.

Best Regards to all,
Mike



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Bruce

02-21-2004 06:45:03




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
Patience is the key....soak it, work it a little and wait...I had a jeep that was so froze up, it took more than four months of soaking, I used everything under the sun to soak it with. But most of all, I was willing to wait and let the soaking do its thing, don't drag it down the road, unless you are willing to risk breaking things, just soak it, work the rear wheels back and forth, soak it some more...when the jeep engine ran, it did not burn oil, once the pistons moved, I cleaned the cyl walls with oil and emerie cloth.

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John A

02-20-2004 20:32:50




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
Mike, Pull the head, Fill the cylinder that is stuck with Diesel, set it on fire.....let it burn its self out....then turn one of the rear wheels that is already jacked up. Keep it in 5th gear.
If the piston was stuck hard, It won't hurt to ball hone the cylinder and clean up the piston and rings. Good luck!
Later,
John A.



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Richard

02-20-2004 19:21:54




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
Most Of the Time if full Of Water, You Will have to Disconnect That Rod from Crankshaft, & hopefully you can Turn Crank Away From Stuck Piston &Rod. Then Take Wood that Will fit Into Cylinder & tap. If on Bottom Of Throw, tap Up. I have Had Several Stuck, & Soaked For a week or two, & Always got Unstuck. Usually sleeves& Pistons Pitted & Rings Bad. Also With that Much Water,Some Valves Will Be Stuck Also. I Use Outboard Motor oil. Seems To Penitrate Good. Good Luck

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Bowlegs

02-20-2004 18:39:03




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
Mike fill the cylinders with vineger is a mild acid and will eat the rust and not hurt the rings. My uncle did this on a tractor that had been stuck for 5 years and it runs fine. It doesnt even smoke.



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Nor.Al.

02-20-2004 17:46:07




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
I like to use Marvel Mystery oil in cylinders, but what you used should do the job. I jack tractor up remove spark plugs put the tractor in 5 th gear and gently rock wheels ( don't get too rough as you could break crankshaft or burst piston around the wrist pin, just gently rock it until they turn.)



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Chris Vangel

02-20-2004 17:14:42




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
Howdy. I am a 14 year plus auto mechanic. I learned a new trick (new to me, anyway)I thought of it myself and have told a few others to try it. I have had locked engines before on tractors and outboards that were stored in poor manner. I filled the cylinders as you did with penetrating oil or motor oil or whatever lube I had. Then let it soak awhile. Here's what I did different that worked for me. I took the end of my compression tester and screwed it into each spark plug hole, I then hooked up pressurized shop air to the hose. Adding 125 psi of pressure to the oil in the cylinder forces the oil around the rings. This helps quite alot. Consider it to be 'speed soaking'. After soaking and pressurizing, try to turn the engine by hand first. Sometimes the air pressure itself will turn the engine as it forces the piston down. Of course this only works for cylinders which have their valves closed. Turn the crank both directions by breaker bar and see it it breaks loose. If it turns, make sure that it turns 360 degrees. If is possible to have a valve stuck wide open and you don't want to bend it with a piston using the starter. If you hit it while turning by hand, you won't be able to turn 360 degrees and shouldn't bent a valve. I don't like to use the starter because if something is stuck badly, you can bend a connecting rod or damage the starter drive. I have used this method a few times and been successful. Good luck

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old

02-20-2004 14:52:28




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 Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full of w in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 14:44:01  
Ok was it parked out side? If yes haws the exhaust pipe is it covered, does it fit tight in the manafold. you probably have rain water in the engine, drain the oil pan, let the oil sit in the cylinders for a few day, And then you might top them off with some turpentine. Make sure its gum spirits of turpentine. Then redrain the pan and fill with good oil and give the starter a try it should brake free unless the water has frooze in that cylinder and broke some thing.

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Mike Linderman

02-20-2004 15:28:02




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 Re: Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder full in reply to old, 02-20-2004 14:52:28  
Thanks that sounds like good advice. Just filled filled the cylinders with oil and will let her sit a while. I think you are right about the rain water. I had a can on the exhaust but I also have kids who like to play tractor. Can missing kids "didn't do it" . Thanks for the advice. I'll let you know how this turns out. Best Regards,
Mike



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old

02-20-2004 15:40:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclinder f in reply to Mike Linderman, 02-20-2004 15:28:02  
I have a 1935 JD-B that was locked up like that put the oil in and then after a while put in the turppentine and with in hours it was unlocked, $1500 later its running well but I did replace the carb mag and a few other parts so you should get by with a tune up, if your lucky



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Garry

02-21-2004 05:48:49




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyclind in reply to old, 02-20-2004 15:40:53  
I have a AC B locked up like that with water in the number one cylnder. I have been putting the penatrating oil in, but now I think I'll try the turpentine.



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old

02-21-2004 07:46:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Farmall H siezed Engine 1 cyc in reply to Garry, 02-21-2004 05:48:49  
Its never faled for me yet as long as you can get the water out of the cylinder first.



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