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paul

05-31-2004 13:49:28




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Will be loading a tractor and need some input on tie down chains.The chains that I have are aprox 25 years old and are were used on heavy equipment to lift locomotive parts,they have no stamping on the chain and are 3/8 link and in good condition would it be advisable to use these chains to secure a 7000# tractor on a trailer for transport? Thanks.Paul.




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john in la

05-31-2004 23:31:11




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 Re: binder chains in reply to paul, 05-31-2004 13:49:28  
Chain that is not marked will be considered grade 30
3/8" grade 30 chain is rated at 1200kg or 2650lbs (DOT reg # 393.108)
Check the chain to make sure it is good shape.
A 7000lb wheeled machine needs to be tied at least in 2 spots; 1 front, 1 rear using proper size tiedowns (393.128 and 393.130)
I say use the chain you have.

As far as straps go they are legal on all wheeled equiptment except crushed cars. (393.132) Where most people get in to trouble with using straps is they do not use tear protectors at the corners.(393.104 f5)

Check out these rules here. DOT 393.

Disclamer: These are federal DOT rules. Your state may have stricter rules.

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Davis In SC

05-31-2004 18:02:11




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 Re: binder chains in reply to paul, 05-31-2004 13:49:28  
Speaking of hauling equipment: I saw this on the interstate last week....A dually was pulling a trailer with a L 8000 Ford Dump Truck on it !!! A state trooper had them stopped, & it appeared they were backing the dump truck off. I wonder how much that fine was ???



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just an idiot

05-31-2004 17:49:38




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 Re: binder chains in reply to paul, 05-31-2004 13:49:28  
most times i just set the brakes and have at it when I haul my stuff. If brakes dont work, just use some blocks and pound them in tight. If your real worried about it use sum 9 wire and twist it tight. bigger piece, more wire, no problem



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Ray

05-31-2004 17:46:00




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 Re: binder chains in reply to paul, 05-31-2004 13:49:28  
3/8 are plenty heavy and awkard to use,5/16 is
what most people use.Age doesn't mean anything
on a chain,the older ones are probably better
than the ones you find today.Just be careful if you buy new ones,a lot of junk out there with
soft links,buy of a good supplier,not a flee
market chain.



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Dick2

05-31-2004 17:17:40




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 Re: binder chains in reply to paul, 05-31-2004 13:49:28  
Think liability - liability - liability. Then throw that chain away and get the grade that meets the new standards. A lot cheaper than paying the increase in your insurance if you have an accident.



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rustyfarmall

05-31-2004 15:02:35




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 Re: binder chains in reply to paul, 05-31-2004 13:49:28  
Look those chains over very carefully, if they show signs of rust or pitting, toss them. On the other hand, if you find no defects, they should work just fine, and will be much better than straps. Those straps do have their place, but not for tying down a tractor.



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Ron

05-31-2004 14:56:10




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 Re: binder chains in reply to paul, 05-31-2004 13:49:28  
I would not use them but not for that reason. Buy some load binders, the strap type. They are far safer, more control, easier to attach & tighten, won't damage the equipment, hold more securely.



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mark

05-31-2004 15:22:23




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 Re: Re: binder chains in reply to Ron, 05-31-2004 14:56:10  
Straps are NOT legal to secure a piece of machinery on wheels. Crates,boxes yes,machinery no.



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John R

05-31-2004 15:38:04




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 Re: Re: Re: binder chains in reply to mark, 05-31-2004 15:22:23  
Contrary to popular opinion, straps are legal to tie down equipment with wheels. Read the USDOT regs very carefully and you will see that straps are not prohibited for any vehicle tie down. If you have a piece of cargo than can roll then it can not be tied with straps. Things like steel rolls, pipes, ect. I have gone through a DOT inspection within the last month and a had a tractor and skidsteer loaded and secured with straps and I asked the officer to clarify the regs and he said I was legal. I have used straps for years and have not had any trouble.

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mark

05-31-2004 17:37:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: binder chains in reply to John R, 05-31-2004 15:38:04  
probably varies by location. i got an improperly secured load ticket last month at a scale in Md. for having a tractor tied down with straps. Cop said if it is a piece of machinery on wheels no straps. Just my $250. piece of advise.



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john in la

05-31-2004 23:36:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: binder chains in reply to mark, 05-31-2004 17:37:19  
The question I would have is.....
Were you using corner protectors? and
What size straps? The cheap 1 or 2 inch ones or the DOT approved 3 or 4 inch ones. Some states only allow 4" such as CA.



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george md

05-31-2004 20:20:45




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: binder chains in reply to mark, 05-31-2004 17:37:19  
Mark,

That sounds like RT 1 at conowingo ,those

guys are hungry !!!

george



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Davis In SC

05-31-2004 14:53:42




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 Re: binder chains in reply to paul, 05-31-2004 13:49:28  
Do a search here, this subject has been discussed in detail before. I think the DOT requires a minimum of a grade 70 (Gold Color for ID) chain for tying down machinery in transit. Last week, I had a professional rigger to load some things on a trailer for me. He got upset when he saw my grade 70 chains, said they were not strong enough... then he showed me one that he had broken. I think the grade he uses is a 103 ?? Bet they are expensive, but a lot cheaper than an accident..... Regards, Davis

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