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Somebody talk me out of this!

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Allan in NE

07-13-2004 05:19:50




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Hi Guys,

A few years ago, I was forced to leave farming.

I have missed the life, with every nerve fiber and every breath of my being, for every second of every single day since then.

After all these years, I still wake up in the middle of the night smelling hay and hearing those cattle. To this day, I can smell the air and tell when it is time to stick the bean cutter in the ground.

It is really amazing that one does not know what he has until it is all gone.

It has been a long hard pull, but now I am all caught up with the world, I am financially healthy again and have a few bucks stashed away.

I'll be 60 in four months and instead of just sitting around waiting to die, my wife and I are seriously thinking of jumping right back in there for another go at it.

This isn't about money; it is about a lifestyle. We wanna farm again and we think that now we have the means to be able to afford to do it without having to "gamble it all" every year.

Is this about the dumbest thing you've ever heard of?

Allan

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cockshuttguy

07-16-2004 18:39:55




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
I began farming again at 62 years of age.
I'm an organic farmer and strongly suggest others to consider the more natural way of tending the soil. We do not use any chemicals and have purchased many very experienced pieces of antique equipment. Many units are cockshutts with a couples of fords and one MF in the family.
We found that a nitch helps. Ours has been organic popcorn and other grains. You only live once, ENJOY!!!

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George H

07-14-2004 05:53:34




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Guys,

I'm 64, grew up on a hill farm in Western NC, 120 acres, about14 arable, and worked 30 some years. Tried NC again, but gave up and bought a 150 year old homestead and 20 acres in southern Michigan two years ago. Not really a farm, but my garden, tractors, etc, keep me on the run all the time, and I love it. Went from wondering what to do with myself to wondering where all the time goes. Best of luck, you're doing the right thing,

GH

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RichZ

07-13-2004 17:42:33




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Allan, it's not dumb, go for it!!!

I grew up on Long Island, in what was a farming community when my family moved there in 1956. By the time I was in junior high school, there was one farm left in the community, but I already had the farming bug. I wanted to move to upstate NY and buy a farm since I was a kid. My wife and I finally suceeded when I was 46. I just turned 50 last month, and we're in the process of establishing a dairy goat herd. We already have an egg business from free range chickens, and we're buying our breeding stock for Berkshire and Old Spot pigs this fall. We're not there yet, but we're well on our way.

People who don't know farming don't understand how it gets in your blood. You need it as much as you need food, water and oxygen. Now that we have a farm, I'd rather die than ever give this up, and I won't. Hopefully, we're making the right choices, and we'll be successful, but I understand how you need to get back to farming. Do it!!!!

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Greg

07-13-2004 17:10:17




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
I wont talk you out of it, but I would like to add one comment. Have you ever sold firewood, It may sound silly but a former boss of mine knew a guy that sold $1K to $2K of firewood every year. (as side work) If you were to do that it would keep you in shape, it always gets cold if your north of the mason dixon line and those fuel prices are going up up up. something to think about in addition to any planting you do because a flood or drought could wipe you out but it gets cold everyyear. my 2cents

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paul

07-13-2004 14:58:01




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Yes it is. :)

Have fun doing it. :)

A fellow Dummy,
--->Paul



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EngineerJoyce

07-13-2004 14:26:16




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
God Bless You, Allen, for keeping the Love of Farming in spite of your forced separation. :-) Lots of you guys were ditched in the mid-80's and it really sucked. My dad held on somehow, but I remember the truly lean times when I was in high school.

Please consider your physical limitations and I hope this can be a hobby and not a financial requirement. My Dad is now 65, has had 2 heart attacks, his shoulders are shot, yet he still can't stop himself from hauling 5 loads of slop every day. You won't be able to do as much nor as hard a work as you did when you left. Please don't let your love of farming kill you. My dad about has. :-(

In my family, one spouse has a paying job and the other gets to farm! My hubby and I are pushing the public job wheel in anticipation when we can both 'retire' early and farm 'til we're too old to garden and too broke to pay attention!

Oops! Time to clock out so I can go home and check the cows for a new baby calf. Even the feedlots smell good to me!

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Rich Iowa

07-13-2004 13:11:41




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Allan-
I'm only 19, so I have quite a few years before I can retire. I agree with you 110%, I love the smell of hay, hogs, cattle, and the smell of freshly plowed dirt. I know there is no money in farming, but that's not why I'm getting into it. Like many people, my money, insurance, etc. comes from my "city" job, but my mind is all ways on the farm. My goal is to have my own good sized farm (200-400 acres) and maybe make enough so I can farm full-time. Good luck in all you do.

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mike

07-13-2004 12:28:47




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
after reading the posts below i need to huff a little, i have farmed full time since 1978, own three peices of property with only 40 acres tillabe, i cash rent the rest, 350 acres corn and beans, 4 acres tobbaco 250 acres of hay, in the last 5 years i have lost over 500 acres of tillable grond to big time farmers gobbling up more ground, i have made a deasent liveing over the years, made payments, and paid lots of interest, last year i had 2 stays in the hospital , blood poisning,bone infection, lost some bones and toes, from a rusty nail, i am also a diabetic, i have no health insurance so i have over 40000, in bills, insurance for buildings and mach, with auto , cost us over 15000 a year,i am on a down hill spirial i dont know how to get out of, insursance and other bills has caused me to sell a good herd of black cattle, and some good mach, trying to keep above the crediters, i dont know what to do, usally i figgure a way out, but i am behind the 8 ball with the noose around my neck. i cant stand it , but at the sametime i dont know were to turn, i have my machinery listed for sale under the mony i think, and have my best peice of property with cattle barn mach shed and garadge listed with the realiters for over a year now, had one offer for 15000 less than the buildings appraised for, i guess there waiten till i have to file bankruptcy so they can steal it

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James

07-13-2004 13:28:00




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 Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to mike, 07-13-2004 12:28:47  
Very sad, there's not much one can say to improve the situation. Fortunately my parents (particularily my mother) were adament that I nor my two other brothers were to stay on the farm, because the outlook was so bleak. Otherwise, could have easily been in the same predicament. Just a few unfortunate circustances can undo a live of hard work unless you have medical coverage either by being able to afford it or have an off-farm job which provides it. I went to school and worked 30 years as an engineer, which now allows me to farm as I choose. All I can say is I hope you have better luck and may the Lord bring a little more sunshine to your life.

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txblu

07-14-2004 06:32:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to James, 07-13-2004 13:28:00  
Have a local boy I know here who farms 2000 acres with his dad. Says life is good but for the ---- med. insurance.



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Amen Brother

07-13-2004 10:22:52




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
I can totally relate to your message. My grandpa retired 25 years ago (when I was 12) and I have missed it every day since. I have worked 15 years to save enough to start farming and have rented 160 and this is my first year back.

I may never make it full time (but I am going to try damn hard) but if I never get another acre I will consider myself blessed to be able to get to do what little I can.

I wish you the best and know better than to try and offer any advice as I am sure you know what you are getting BACK into much more than I.

The one thing I do know is when I am out looking at MY CORN and beans that I am probably the happiest guy on the planet. Now if someone could get rid of the dang rootworms this year it would be perfect.... :)

Good Luck!

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txblu

07-14-2004 06:30:05




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 Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Amen Brother, 07-13-2004 10:22:52  
Nice pics. Looks like you are rolling right along.

Mark



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Allan in NE

07-13-2004 10:56:17




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 Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Amen Brother, 07-13-2004 10:22:52  
Hey Paul,

Looking good out there!! You just gotta be proud of that!

Could you help me understand something please, since I've been out of the loop for 20 years?

But, why are you putting up with the rootworms?

I used to lay down dope at planting time to take care of that problem. Has this stuff been outlawed or something like the DDT has?

Thanks for your help,

Allan



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pbutler

07-13-2004 14:10:11




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 Re: Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 10:56:17  
Boy do I wish I had put something down at planting time!!! The rootworms are really bad this year in Central, Il. Almost everyone has some down corn.

I had my planting done by a buddy (since I can't yet afford a planter) and since I had some white grubs we did put Poncho 250 on...but that does nothing for rootworms.

Even some of the guys who did put down insecticide are having problems-they suspect windy days or long dry spell we had in April didn't get the stuff down where it needed to be.

Of course once you spot the beetles it is too late. :(

Lesson learned for next year for sure!!! I think I will look at Poncho 1250 from Gustafson or something similar-will see this fall what ends up working for those in our area.

Out of the loop for 20 years? Sounds like me 2 years ago. I have been documenting what I have learned so far in a "book"...probably only for my own edification. You can see the first couple chapters on my website. If you are thinking of getting back into farming and it is interesting to you I would be willing to send you a copy in exchange for a little constructive criticism.

Paul

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todd hamilton

07-13-2004 08:55:25




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
My Dad stopped farming in 1974 when I was 12 and we moved to town. The extended family continued to farm in one fashion or another and I was able to help/visit while growing on up. However, I was not allowed to consider farming as an occupation. I started going back out to the farm in 1995 to help my cousin and since then have purchased 40 acres out of my grandparent's estate in 2002. My mortgage and taxes on it is more than the cash rent, so I am a real farmer (losing money). I wouldn't trade it for anything - ran the corn planter there for my cousin(tenant)this spring. I am 42 and plan on farming somehow/somwhere when I retire. Farming is one of the last noble professions - we all must eat. Good Luck to you and may God bless.

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Ben in KY

07-13-2004 08:13:12




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Yeah it is dumb, but then a lot of us on here have that brand of dumbness. I keep hoping to win the lottery so I can afford to really farm fulltime.

My though is if you can do it and want to might as well enjoy life to the fullest while you can.



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Geo in SD

07-13-2004 08:04:58




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
I was forced out of farming also back in 1985. Like you, I miss it terribly. I live in the country on an acreage, own three tractors, [Fords] but I doubt if I'll ever be able to go back to anything other than what I have here. Don't know if I'll be able to retire either
Guess I'll just keep buying lottery tickets.



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Allan in NE

07-13-2004 09:02:08




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 Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Geo in SD, 07-13-2004 08:04:58  
Hi George,

Boy, they really worked us over didn't they? lol

But, ya know what? It taught me to look at the value of what I do have and not what I don't have. I think that this is the key.

Without that gut-wrenching, blood splattering, mind-numbing crash, there is no way that I would have ever been able to put together what I have now.

From my view, in a lot of ways, it kinda reinforces the idea of there being a monumental "master plan" out there.

Thanks for the good words and keep looking ahead 'cause I believe there has just simply got to be a reason for everything.

Ya sound like a darned good neighbor and I don't even know ya,

Allan

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Coloken

07-13-2004 08:00:01




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Go for it! But--- your 60 years old. Make sure you have some kind of health insurance. Don't risk the gamble with out it for the few years until medicare. When I was 55, 8 days hospital stay took the old famly home steed. Thanks to VA, after 30 days more, I saved the rest of the farm. Prices have gone up and up. Example: My March 3rd ICD implant totaled 156 thousand. Get whatever farm you can find and injoy life.

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Joe Evans

07-13-2004 07:01:04




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
I'm going to be different and say that is NOT the dumbest thing I've heard of. The dumbest thing would be you sittin' on your butt wishing you had gotten back into farming especially with the passion you have for it.

No, of course it's not the money. You said it all when you mentioned smelling hay. It' all about getting connected again with what is in your blood. It's getting connected again with the sounds, smells, and especially the folks that occupy themselves with farming or quasi-farming. I've found this very hard to explain to someone that has never experienced this.

Best of luck to you. Really wish I were in your shoes. Maybe 12 years or so down the road I'll be there.

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kyhayman

07-13-2004 08:19:26




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 Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Joe Evans, 07-13-2004 07:01:04  
I'm with you. Anybody really knows what its about and wants to do it, nothing wrong with it. Life is too short to do something you are miserable at and to precious to just sit around and wait to die.



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Larry (MO)

07-13-2004 06:59:32




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Yes, sounds really dumb. Dumb enough for me to go that direction too. I am currently getting finances and insurance straightened out so my wife and I can do that too.

Already have my land (small amount but enough for us), barn, chickens, ducks, and a tractor. It is my weekend work. Lots of work but very rewarding as you already know. I can't wait to build my house and do it full time.

Ron - My tractor is a '40 9N. Runs like a champ and handles my light farm work perfectly.

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Ron

07-13-2004 06:02:31




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Yes, it is dumb. But with your passion for it, are you really going to be happy in your "golden years" without farming?

Now what kind of tractor are you thinking about buying!



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Allan in NE

07-13-2004 06:06:49




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 Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Ron, 07-13-2004 06:02:31  
Hi Ron,

I'm now on the hunt for either a 966 or a 1466. Got one for sale? :>)

Allan



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todd hamilton

07-13-2004 09:01:06




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 Re: Re: Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 06:06:49  
Good man! (see my post above) We use a 1466, 1066, 886, and 656 (which was bought new by my Grandad in 1966). All of the IH tractors belong to my cousin. I also have a '44 SC Case similar to my Dad's '41 which is long gone. Mine is doesn't run as well but is much better looking (no rust at all):^)



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Vadave

07-13-2004 05:45:57




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
I'm doing it.
Turned 60 last year, retired 3 years ago was farming in the side and haven't stopped.



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txblu

07-13-2004 05:38:53




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Well, I took a day of vacation yesterday to ..... ..you'll never guess....Bale hay.

Dec 31, 04 is the hang up day for me. Then Awwwww the good life.

Wife did it a couple of years ago and time for me to follow. Don't think I'll get bored.

Mark



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slim

07-13-2004 05:27:01




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 Re: Somebody talk me out of this! in reply to Allan in NE, 07-13-2004 05:19:50  
Yes, it is the dumbest thing I ever heard. And if I had the support you seem to have at home, I would be doing the same thing in about 6 years when I am eligible to leave this place with insurance benefits.

slim



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