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6v to 12v conversions

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TheRealRon

09-01-2004 04:03:28




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Recently there has been several posts on this and other boards on this site about 6v to 12v conversions (including generator to alternator) and it seems like they present problems for some.

What has been your experience?




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john d

09-01-2004 21:09:50




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Ron, as you can see, opinions vary.

I have a '43 Farmall H that I wouldn't convert. It cranks and starts fine with 6 volts, and it is pretty much "retired" as far as work is concerned.
The original generator on my '49 Farmall M lost a front bearing about this time last year. Cranking that tractor on 6 volts was a pure challenge, as it has oversize sleeves and high-compression pistons. It's my loader tractor, and I decided to convert it to 12 volts. I'm glad I did. It had been on an 8 volt battery for about 20 years, and that was an improvement over 6 volts, but in really cold weather, it struggled.
I have a '52 Super M that is running with an 8-volt battery; the rest of the system is the original 6-volt stuff. It's been on 8-volts for over 20 years with no problems. That engine has also been overhauled with oversize sleeves and higher compression pistons. A six volt system will crank it, but not well. It will get the 12 volt treatment this winter, as the wiring on it is beginning to look a bit ragged, and since the M is doing so well, I'll convert this one also.
I know that some on this board can't stand the thought of changing anything from "original" and others can't see why everyone's tractor won't crank well at -30 degrees if proper maintenance is done. When I engage the starter, I want the engine to TURN, not GROAN, and 6 volts won't always do that when the engine's been tricked up to produce 30% to 50% more power that it made when new.
I used Robert Melville's wiring diagrams obtained from the YT site when I did the conversion. They are excellent.

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Mark - IN.

09-01-2004 18:00:33




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Considered it on the old Allis B, but right now the existing is working, it has no lighting, and starts kind've easy - until I left it out in a week's rain last week, but that's another issue. 6V parts are getting scarcer and scarcer around me, unless want to pay $$$. But right now, it's charging system is ok and paid for. Going out the cost of an alternator, regulator, starter windings, may as well add lights at that point, wiring isn't anything, but is a must, and is currently positive ground. Maybe this winter in the barn???, and maybe not, I don't know. Right now, just gotta find that moisture. The Deere has factory 12V.

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wh

09-01-2004 17:55:22




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 Nothing but 12V - - - in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
lets see - 12v always available to jump start - better lights -- cheaper batteries -- more forgiving for bad connections -- can run accessories (12v pumps, etc )-- why would i want a 50year old outdated system on a working tractor. the Farmall h also did not have a 3pt hitch, live hyd., warning lights, deluxe hyd seat, nor does the manual say to use detergent oil - BUT some things are just better today than they were 50 years ago. HOWEVER, just for kicks let everyone do to their tractor what i did to mine - just what i wanted to.

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Irv

09-01-2004 17:04:11




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Ron, Hello - I have a question for ya. Shoot me you email addy Irv.



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Bus Driver

09-01-2004 16:59:00




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Obviously some like them, some do not. I did one so that I could add flashing warning lights to the tractor. Just could not do it with the 6 volt system. The secret is to spend enough time to study and plan the installation. No sensible reason that it cannot be as neat and reliable as any original installation. If it is not, the installer was either lazy or ignorant.



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John M

09-01-2004 15:59:25




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Let me thow another situation in.I have changed all of my tractors over to 12 volt,three have 12 volt generators,rewound from the old 6 volt genrator I had on there,both to have the advantages of 12 volt will maintians the original "appearance".Two with alternators as these are working tractors and I dont have time to sit out in a field and diagnose charging problems when I need to get some work done,an alternator is just simply more reliable to me.BIGGEST thing is 6 volt batteries are hard t ofind around here as most places dont carry them ot they are expensive compared to a 12 volt.

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paul

09-01-2004 13:09:43




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
I stick with the original wiring & 6v here in Minnestoa. Seems I have no trouble other than the same regular maintenence issues I have with the 12v setups.

I would deduct money from the price for a cobbled up 12v setup on an otherwise good 6v tractor.

--->Paul



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Bill V

09-01-2004 09:58:04




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
I have always stayed away from tractors that have been converted from 6v-12v. There really isn't any reason if the tractor is tuned up and runs properly it should start righr up. They came from the factory with a 6v battery why change it. I ahve three IH's that I don't even bother to put batteries in, I crank them and if they aren't running after a couple of cranks something is wrong.



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harley1983

09-01-2004 11:36:52




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to Bill V, 09-01-2004 09:58:04  
That"s like saying let"s all stay with tube type tires because they were good enough in the old days. Bull hockey. Put a one-wire 12 volt alternator on your Farmall tractor by turning the existing generator bracket upside down, thus not having to cut the hood, install a 12-volt internal resistor coil, a twelve volt battery, and you won"t have any idea how much better the old red tractor will start and run. It turns over twice as fast at least and will thank you all the way to the field. Done about thirty like this in the past two years. I Won"t even sell one without switching it first. Later, Harley

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paul

09-01-2004 13:12:41




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to harley1983, 09-01-2004 11:36:52  
You won"t even sell one then - to me.

12v conversions are actually hiding something - the 6v should be working fine as it came from the factory. Do you bother to change the light bulbs, or just let them blow for the new user?

Seems like a bad policy.

--->Paul



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Bill V

09-02-2004 07:13:04




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to paul, 09-01-2004 13:12:41  
I couldn't agree more I have passed up several tractors just because somebody had converted them and will never buy one like that. The 6v system worked when it was new and if everything on the tractor is working right there is no reason for not to still work, unless you are trying to hide something....



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Tommy D

09-01-2004 09:02:29




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
I personally struggled with the decision of whether to convert or not. Since I use my old Ford 4000 gas (4 cyl) as a working tractor, and I don't always have time to keep the connections clean, I decided to take the plunge.

With some guidance form both this board, and the folks at Gennessee Products, I did thew whole conversion in a couple of evenings after work.

I found that after I understood what had to happen, it wasn't very difficult at all. BTW, I am a computer programmer, not a mechanic...

I wrote a step-by-step of exactly what I did here:
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apekim

09-01-2004 08:52:20




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions (ford 850) in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Bought a 1955 ford 850 with original 6 volt setup. Harnes was cracked everywhere, but it still started with a quick tap of the starter button. Thought about the conversion, but I prefer to keep it 6 volt if all the parts were still available. So I did, I replaced the harness, and it still starts great, even in the dead of winter after sitting for months.
mike



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WI Craig

09-01-2004 07:37:15




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Bought my 52 8n with 6 volt and left it that way. Never had trouble starting mine, even in northern Wisconsin. Like the others said, if the electrical is up to par, shouldn't have any trouble. Helps to have good compression too.

With all the posts here about the subject, sounds like there are more problems than not.



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Steve (Magnolia, TX)

09-01-2004 06:44:48




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
I bought my 1950 8N Ford already converted. Apparently, whoever did it, did it right. I"ve not had any problems with it.

Now... that being said, if I had the chance, I"d leave it 6V.

Steve



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VaTom

09-01-2004 04:27:37




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Don't quite know why anyone would have problems. My conversion was the best part of that old tractor. Wiring diagram came from an old HotRod magazine. Chevy alternator, cause I had one. The old Deere loved it.

Only minor problem was the starter loving 12v so much it ate Bendixes. Kept a spare on hand to change out every year or so, maybe 15 minutes and 8 bucks. Far as I was concerned that was far preferable to dealing with 6v. Sure started a whole lot easier.

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Coloken

09-01-2004 04:23:43




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Only problem I have with them is some one every 2 or 3 days asking about or wanting to talk about them.



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mmb

09-01-2004 04:19:51




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Never did one myself, however I often wonder why so many feel it necessary to convert. If the original 6V system is kept in good condition and the battery is fresh, starting (which is probably the main reason for people switching to 12V) should be no problem, even in cold weather. Cold weather can be overcome usually by keeping your tractor battery inside the porch in the house. Personally, I don't like the looks of an alternator on an old tractor, sort of like a chrome exhaust. Just my two cents.

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cole in mo.

09-01-2004 04:11:17




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to TheRealRon, 09-01-2004 04:03:28  
Bought a 420 Jd one time with a botched up 12 volt conv. Took it all off and got an orig. gen, had the starter gone through, fixed the wiring, put in a heavy duty 6 volt bat. no problems since.



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ChrisH

09-01-2004 07:26:39




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to cole in mo., 09-01-2004 04:11:17  
I bpught an 8N that had no generator. Price of rebuilt seemed excessive. Previous owner had already set it up with a 12 volt coil and inline resistor. Went to O"reilleys and got a GM Alternator $19.95 and hooked 'er up. Runs and charges like a champ. Only problem is 12 volt batteries don't last as long as 6 volt. (I have a 2N that the 6v batt is right at ten years old)



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Pitch

09-01-2004 16:26:39




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 Re: 6v to 12v conversions in reply to ChrisH, 09-01-2004 07:26:39  
Got an 8N that was 6V when I got it never had a bit of electrical problem if this generator goes I will out on my spare,if that goes I may convert to 12V. Mine starts in about 3 revs in the winter maybe 5 or 6. I don't need to hear it whip over just for the sake of hearing it.



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