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Walnut trees (OT)

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Bill from MA

09-12-2004 18:01:20




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I remember reading as a kid about how valuable walnut
trees are. I was reading this in hunting/gun magizines or books.

So is this true ? Any idea to value ?

Thanks,
Bill




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paul

09-12-2004 20:24:53




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to Bill from MA, 09-12-2004 18:01:20  
Like many things, it depends on quality. Some trees are not worth cutting down, while I have heard of tuely exceptonal trunks sell for $20,000. More likely you can get 1-2,000 for a really good old tree that can be vineered, plus a few other branches good enough for gun stocks, etc. There would be pretty old, as they grow slow. And are difficult to get good straight sections, as they like to bend & branch.

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Stan(PA)

09-13-2004 13:41:22




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to paul, 09-12-2004 20:24:53  
When dealing with Walnut, the "good straight trees" make cheap rifle stocks. The "branchy, crooked, field trees" are usually used for the Premium gunstocks. Gotta find the right buyer, and it ain"t easy. Around this area (PA), Cherry goes for four times the price of oak....



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Can't even use my name

09-12-2004 21:36:54




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to paul, 09-12-2004 20:24:53  
$1000 to $2000?! Where are you at? Just posted below and the most we got for a tree was $375 for a really nice Cherry 26" X about 40' straight as an arrow. And this was the third guy who wanted this tree and he paid twice as much as everyone else. Too boot he is a realtive of ours so he didn't take us as bad as the others would have!



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VaTom

09-13-2004 05:41:10




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to Can't even use my name, 09-12-2004 21:36:54  
Hi CEUMN,

Welcome to the real world. Lots of fantasy out there. In our area the big winners are paulownia trees. But then only if the annual rings are very tight, which almost never happens due to them not being forest trees. Veneer buyers exist, but I've never known of any land owner meeting one. The one local veneer plant closed 20 yrs ago.

I routinely get offered well over a dollar/ft for tulip poplar on the stump. This is when I can buy it, kiln dried, for $1.30. The only way those numbers work is with funny measuring. You got paid per tree, no need for funny measuring. Also your logger didn't take a portion (generally half) of what the log brought at the mill, which is the custom here. To compare, you need to double your log prices.

Had the state forester out here to discuss my wood lot. After he gave his usual recommendations, I asked about continuous yield. He'd never heard of the idea. Then he pointed out that loggers wouldn't be interested in occasionally taking only a few trees.

We got to talking about the price of lumber and what happens between tree harvesting and board sales. I more than quadruple what I could get per tree by sawing, drying, and selling boards. For instance, one decent oak might bring $225, split with the logger. When I sell boards, that same tree will bring at least $925. This requires a sawing investment, about $125, and some handling. Roughly $575 for my time, plus getting the logger's half ($112.50). I'm happy with this. State forester left, scratching his head.

Walnut, I don't know what the mills are paying, but with the same ratios to dried lumber, should be about $1-2/bd ft (yield) on the stump, split with the logger. These prices vary greatly and are locale specific.

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paul

09-13-2004 06:37:46




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to VaTom, 09-13-2004 05:41:10  
Yes, I assume it's driven by local buyers. If there is demand for gun stock makers, and so forth, black walnut can bring some money. Buy, it's all in finding the buyers.

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VaTom

09-13-2004 15:25:28




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to paul, 09-13-2004 06:37:46  
Yep, gun stocks are an interesting situation. I have an out of state buyer for any I find. Grain's gotta be just right. If there's figure too, sky's the limit.

If I wasn't clear, that $1-2/ft on the stump is a lot of money, compared to anything else. Several times what oak brings.



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msb

09-12-2004 19:27:21




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to Bill from MA, 09-12-2004 18:01:20  
Not just Walnut trees.White Oak trees too.It is a proven fact that a well managed woodlot in Indiana has had an annual return of 15% for several years running.Beats farming all to heck.



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Can't even use my name

09-12-2004 21:31:31




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to msb, 09-12-2004 19:27:21  
It sure does but remember that it takes about 50 or more years to get those nice ripe Walnuts and White Oaks and Cherrys too. We just sold some this summer, not really worth what everybody says trees are worth. Averaged about $80 a tree for Red, White, Black Oak, Cherry, and Walnut. All around 20" and straight for 30' or more. Could have made more selling it for fire wood!



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Steve(OR)

09-12-2004 22:45:35




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to Can't even use my name, 09-12-2004 21:31:31  
I"m thinking most of the lumber value of a tree is in the milling of the boards. That is why the Forest Service is always accused of selling at giveway prices by people that see wood prices going up at Home Depot but don"t have any idea where the wood comes from or how it got there. Also why there have been so many shiploads of raw logs going from the Northwest to Japan while our mills were closed.

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don't know

09-13-2004 11:59:08




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to Steve(OR), 09-12-2004 22:45:35  
Last I read for trees in log from
Red Oak ranged from $500 - $1400 mbf(1000 bdft)
White oak is a 1/3 of those #'s or there abouts.
Walnut I'm not sure but it probably a bit more especially if it grades out well. I would'nt be surprised if the owner recieved a $1 or $2 per board foot a 1000 bdft tree is a decent size tree.



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Ol Chief

09-13-2004 19:06:59




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to don't know , 09-13-2004 11:59:08  
When I was younger I lived near Taneytown, Maryland.I often saw huge Black Walnut logs hauled into a large yard in town .I finally inquired about where those logs were going to be used.I was told that they brought a premium price and were being shipped to France to be made into veneer.Later on in the 1980s a friend told me that a very large Walnut tree was poached from his land while he was on vacation.He somehow found the mill that sawed the log and traced it to the thief.Settlement was $5000 from the mill.

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Can't even use my name

09-13-2004 16:52:03




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 Re: Walnut trees (OT) in reply to don't know , 09-13-2004 11:59:08  
Unfortunately what you read trees are bringing and what you actually get are different things. They just weren't worth much this summer when we sold them but may be now since the hurricanes are reaking havoc. We were told by several of the buyers that Red and Black Oak aren't worth anything and are used mostly for pallets. Unfortunately we had to sell due to overcrowding and we have a bunch of small Cherrys growing. Cherry and Walnut were worth the most.

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