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How to start fire on green dozer piles?

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shocker

10-02-2004 09:16:03




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I have a dozer clearing some land for me that is mostly sweet gum trees.I am having trouble getting the piles to start burning i need to burn them now so the dozer can tighten them up before he leaves.Please help ASAP!




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Hugh MacKay

10-03-2004 14:36:07




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
Shocker: Secret to clearing land and burning green trees, is have a dozer with absolutely no oil leaks of any description. Start you fire with truck tires and keep adding the material as you clear.

A friend of mine bought a new Cat D7 in the 70s. It usually took about 4 fires to keep him going. He would go right up on top of roaring fires that were 20' across. He used that dozer just like a poker on that open fire, stir it all up then push on some fresh material, go right up on top and tramp it down. As he progressed he pushed his fires closer to the clearng area. I've seen him clear 40 acres and have nothing left but small wood that fell between root rake teeth.

He is retired now, dozer lasted 20 years and he sold it. He has lung and heart problems, never smoked in his life. He had air tanks on dozer, but I don't remember seeing mask on a lot. He also had a 400 gallon water tank on top of ROPS. The chances that guy took were unbelievable, but he never lost a dozer to fire. Every winter he would put it in shop and check out all seals, fuel lines, hydraulic lines, any possible source of oil leak was checked out.

His theory was never try to burn a pile, but rather pile on your fire.

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pyro

10-03-2004 08:34:53




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
old car tires & used motor oil works good. stick the tires around bottom of pile and fill with old oil. mix some gas & diesel fuel pour it around the pile leave a trail away and lite it. best time to do this is on a Sunday morning when all the dogooders are in church



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stan

10-02-2004 22:27:36




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
Sounds like fun. I wish we could burn stuff like that in Calif.



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John A

10-02-2004 19:41:44




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
Shocker, dump diesel in 2 to 3 gal encerments on a couple of places on the green brush piles. Start a small fire at that pile of brush,..... Now hold that thought. Fill a 3gal pump-up sprayer with Diesel and a small splash of gas. Use the pump-up sprayer with diesel to start the main body of the fire at the places where you dumped the diesel first. Use a coaures spray. You can start spraying at the base of the small fire allready going and move it around to really get it going. Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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Bus Driver

10-02-2004 18:44:27




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
In NC, the law is that the only starters to be used are kerosene and Diesel. The tight pile is the key as others have said. Chop up some of the stuff with a chainsaw to make a tight area- start the fire there.



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Leland

10-02-2004 17:26:38




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
Shocker I have found the tighter you pack it the better the piles burn,Try getting a small pipe 10 feet long and rig it up so you can hook to propane tank. Light it and push it into center and pour gas to it.The tight pile will take off faster and should burn most of it down .



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UFO Man

10-02-2004 15:54:29




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
After Hurricane Claudette blew through last year, I loaded up 7 loads of branches and tree trunks on the dually, threw them into a pit with 3 old tires, 6 bales of old hay, 5 gallons of diesel and lit it.

I had time to get the hose out and soak down the surrounding areas before the diesel and the tires caught.

Then the sheriff's department got a call about a probable plane crash.

Deputy wasn't too happy, but didn't want to stick around and help me. Didn't give me too much grief either.

I do have to admit that the fireball and resulting mushroom cloud kinda scared me.

That stuff was all green, too, but it burned in less than 12 hours.

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RZ(Wa)

10-02-2004 15:43:22




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
Who makes green dozers ?



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snitkawl

10-03-2004 05:52:12




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to RZ(Wa), 10-02-2004 15:43:22  
And why would anyone want to pile them up and burn them?



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john deere

10-02-2004 15:47:06




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to RZ(Wa), 10-02-2004 15:43:22  
try to keep up



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Rod F.

10-02-2004 13:50:19




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
Hi Shocker,
I often use some cardboard, tires, waste oil, waste vegetable oil and diesel. Important thing is to get a hot spot going, and keep it going. I generally use a hand sprayer for the diesel, and that way the fire can be led around a bit. Although, sometimes it is just plain misery to get a fire going. I have had to start small fires and feed them with the dozer, gradually increasing the size of the pile. Sometimes, I have even had to move a live pile to the next pile to get that one going. 'Tis not for the faint of heart, or the leaky dozers. The main thing is to have CLEAN piles. If the guy on the dozer isn't making clean piles, he should be told to make them burn. When he has to go with the matches, he'll learn darn quick. HTH.

Rod

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Rockin' Farmer

10-02-2004 10:00:44




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
Shocker,

Best luck I've had is starting with a few old tires down at the bottom of the pile. That usually gets things hot enough to get the wood burning.

Rockin' Farmer



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Jimmy King

10-02-2004 13:25:10




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to Rockin' Farmer, 10-02-2004 10:00:44  
I don"t know where you are , but in Missouri burning tires will get you a "BIG TIME" fine from DNR.
Used oil, cardbord boxes, dry wood, diesel if you can get it started it will burn like gasline.



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rustyfarmall

10-03-2004 16:09:17




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to Jimmy King, 10-02-2004 13:25:10  
It's totally amazing how so many people did not know those tires were underneath that brush pile.



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Ray,IN

10-02-2004 20:58:29




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to Jimmy King, 10-02-2004 13:25:10  
Indiana IDEM has an exception to the law against burning tires. The rule states "no more than two tires may be used to burn a brush pile." This does not userp city or local burning rules though.



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Mike (WA)

10-02-2004 09:37:48




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
In conjunction with putting some dry, fast burning wood in one spot to start it, get a fan (gas engine powered, or electric if you're close enough to run a cord, or have a generator) to blow on the fire. If you're still having trouble, mount a small tank above the fan, and drip diesel into the airstream going into the fire. This is best done in a manner such that interested guvment officials are not made aware of it.

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raytasch

10-02-2004 09:29:01




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to shocker, 10-02-2004 09:16:03  
The secret to burning a green pile is to get a spot hot and that will dry the rest of the pile out so it will burn. It is a constant effort to keep the pile tight so it will burn.
I use southern "fat pine" to get the hot spot. I have used old motor oil mixed with fuel oil, diesel fuel, kerosine, or whatever I may have around. Don't recommend gasoline.
ray, in FL and who currently has two green piles going. I close them up with the 4000 and the 703 loader.

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Harrygoodwrench

10-02-2004 11:39:27




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 Re: How to start fire on green dozer piles? in reply to raytasch, 10-02-2004 09:29:01  
A leaf blower works real slick to get the fire roaring.



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