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Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story

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Mike (WA)

12-02-2004 17:33:49




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I got a nice email back from my seller- he pointed out that our agreement provided for a certain amount for shipping and building the crate, but that the customs and border fees are a cost of the buyer. He noted that he has to pay them when he orders parts from the states for his Studebaker. He also considers it a ripoff. He then gave a detailed accounting of his actual costs- in the 2 or 3 months interval between when we talked and when I finally got around to sending the check, shipping had increased a few dollars, but not enough to worry about, from his viewpoint. Of more impact was the weakening US dollar (geez- us country boys shouldn't have to get into the nuances of international finance just to buy/sell a tractor part). The exchange rate, plus the shipping increase, ate up all the shipping and handling money, with the result that he wound up making the packing crate for free. Bottom line- He's a good guy, and I don't feel cheated. The quality of the part is top notch (he manufactures 3 point hitch parts for Cockshutts- there's a link on the Cockshutt home page- I recommend him to anyone). Its probably "my bad" for not knowing about customs and brokerage expenses, but I (and lots of others) know now. As grandma used to say, "Sometimes life sure gets tejious (sic)".

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DCM

12-03-2004 05:52:32




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to Mike (WA), 12-02-2004 17:33:49  
It makes a person wonder Mike what free trade really means, a billion and a half worth gets traded every day between our 2 countries,I"m in the courier business and what you expect and what you get are 2 different things. I almost always have to collect a custom charge on items from the US, I"m told its random but I would say 8 out of 10 pcs.will have extra charges. The small consumer gets it both ways be it your way or our direction.Like I say what does free trade really mean. Dan in AB

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Don Wadge

12-02-2004 21:56:09




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to Mike (WA), 12-02-2004 17:33:49  
You're a good man Mike.



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paul

12-02-2004 18:58:06




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to Mike (WA), 12-02-2004 17:33:49  
I just don't like doing business with open ended bills like that - what else is going to come in the mail?????

But I do understand...

-->Paul



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Ken Macfarlane

12-03-2004 06:06:39




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to paul, 12-02-2004 18:58:06  
Equally frustrating on our end. I purchased a book printed in the US which should make it no duty. Somehow with all the brokerage fees, duties etc it is more than twice the original price.

I bought a driveshaft for 60$ on ebay and had 150$ in it by the time it got to my door!



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Harley

12-03-2004 07:52:11




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 12-03-2004 06:06:39  
What free trade and NAFTA really mean is that all the lettuce pickers in Mexico get to come to the US and get on our welfare rolls because they (Mexico) have oil and gas we need, and our English speaking, job holding, career making, good ole boy neighbors in the north are too much like us and feel like treating other people like they would like to be treated and don't really have anything the country needs in a national sense. Too bad but that's politics. Later, Harley

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DCM

12-03-2004 12:26:31




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to Harley, 12-03-2004 07:52:11  
Your right Harley, it comes down to the lowest common denominater so instead of the poor getting better off, the better off get poorer.Dan in AB



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LumbrJakMan

12-03-2004 10:30:05




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to Harley, 12-03-2004 07:52:11  
OK here goes . I am a Union Electrician . I am 6ft 5in 300 Lbs , thus the Nickname LumbrJakMan... any ways . I cant get a bit of material these days that aint worth the powder to blow to He(( . My parts I get from the supply house are JUNK . I cant even get my screw driver in the screws they ship with device plates cuz the depth in the slot is measured with a Digital Vernier Caliper . Very shallow. MY hardware consistently comes through with no cuts in the nuits for threads. I cant even explain how the Supply house sits there and says , We cant do anything ..... I tell them if they cant I will. I like going to auctions . and looking for the oldest tools I can find . THEY HOLD up !! I will also tell you that the NAFTA thing is driving our Nation into the ground . We cant get any decent material and we seem to think its OK to throw it away and hope the next shipment will work . Guess what If my guys arent working on the floor , I dont use them , If my parts arent working I dont thorw them away . I get in the truck for another ride to the supply house where they all seem to wanna run . I am an Old ( 41) ScotsMan , and my daddy never let us throw away food or anything we had to pay for !! To bad this is the way of the Future buts its only getting worse !!

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bigwood

12-03-2004 18:14:06




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to LumbrJakMan, 12-03-2004 10:30:05  
How about some cheese with that whine.Time to get a new source. From a NON union self employed very busy master electrican . To bad some people have to get augered with 85.00 per hr. shop rate. I couldnt sleep at night at that rate. And yes I do retain employees, pay and treat them right, very low turn over rate. Also no dues to pay to protect the drunks and lazy for doing nothing. Oh yeah almost forgot, I used to belong to a local union,what a joke.

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Dave Wis

12-03-2004 21:14:05




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to bigwood, 12-03-2004 18:14:06  
I forgot to mention the article in our local paper about the CEO of Unitedhealth Group. He just cashed in $114 million in stock which was less than 9% of his total holdings. That means he has gotten over $1.25 billion from them. Does aanyone still wonder why health care is so high?



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Dave Wis

12-03-2004 20:33:25




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to bigwood, 12-03-2004 18:14:06  
The other side to that. If the shop rate is $85 and the worker is getting $30 who is getting the other $50? It's not the worker who should have trouble sleeping. Look around, it's the owners, whether they be stockholders or sole owners who are getting the biggest piece of the pie. I will say at this point that there are some companies that do right but the vast majority don't. By the government's calculations the poverty level for a family of 4 is about $20,000 so a person working 40hrs/week and 52 weeks a year needs to make $10 just to be above that. The minimum wage should be high enough to get you above poverty. Also I don't agree with everything unions do even though I am a member of one, if it weren't for unions we would all be making just enough to stay alive. It's a verified fact that unions bring everyone's wages up whether they are union or not.

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bigwood

12-04-2004 16:26:38




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to Dave Wis, 12-03-2004 20:33:25  
Dave, my Grandfather started the co. 56 years ago. Four years ago union planted two employees into our 47 employee shop. We struggled to keep them out, they won. Two and a half years later we were on the brink closing the door. We had to shut-down. Now no-body had a job. So with the help of several family members we started anew. Currenty employ 18 great employees with the average age of 34 and average 58,000 each. not a bad wage for someone who wants to work. We get calls weekly from people seeking work. You dont have to be union to live a good life. Some employers really do CARE. Have a great day.

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DaveWis

12-04-2004 22:32:38




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 Re: Canada shipping- the rest. . . of the story in reply to bigwood, 12-04-2004 16:26:38  
As I said, some employers are doing the right thing, and by the numbers you stated, you are one of them. Unfortunately you are in the minority. Because of your decent treatment of your employees I wish you great success. You have a great day also.



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