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Your biggest restoration Oops!

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old fashioned f

12-11-2004 20:15:41




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Howdy,

Recent events with my current JD M restoration have led me to a question for all of my fellow restoration fanatics here. What is the biggest oops you've had while doing a restoration? I've had 'em on my farmall A when I coined out new gaskets by tightening them too much and finding the old leak comin from a new gasket. The recent ones were the ones that got me thinkin though. I mentioned a leak on the M's hydraulic suction line a few days ago. Well, a quick study of the shop manual's removal procedure told me that my first clue to something being wrong with that line should have came when I found I couldn't remove it from the housing back when I first took the tractor apart. Oops. I found out instead when I already had the entire rear assembly together and poured oil in it for the first time. Oh yes, the valve housing now sits on the workbench with all the parts in between gingerly placed around the shop. Turns out someone had previously tried to remove that line and bent it all up inside and tore up the packing that seals it. So, another trip to JD is in order (providing they have that line). The second oops came with the new (foreign junk) ammeter I got from my parts place (not JD). If you've worked on an M you know the gauges are impossible to get to unless the entire fuel tank assembly is removed. Well, lo and behold the new ammeter (which I got in July and never tested because I assumed a new one would work)didn't work. What's more it has one of those neat little lights in it to light up the gauge...well, I should say it didn't have one of those little lights when it was supposed to. Missing bulb. That required the removal process mentioned before. So now, after telling my friend the good news that his tractor is running, I have to hope he doesn't plan a visit any time soon ha ha. Eager to hear your stories. Let's see 'em. God bless.

--old fashioned farmer

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andy b.

12-13-2004 20:46:40




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
on my JD 40U i rebuilt the hydraulic pump last year. "oh, what harm can that nick out of the leather shaft seal cause" thought i. i realized what harm as i pulled the pump out of the freshly painted tractor this spring to re-rebuild the pump and put a new, un-nicked seal in. the engine having several gallons of oil in it clued me in to the problem.

that wasn"t my most depressing though. i was repainting a 1962 Harley XLH a few years ago. all the painting was finished and i was on the last coat of clear on the last piece (the rear fender). you guessed it, i dropped the fender. oh well, lots of sanding (and cleaning with thinner) and some careful tapping with the hammer and it was ready for painting again.

andy b.

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Fred OH

12-13-2004 10:09:11




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
This wasn"t a tractor restoration,it was a tuneup for the tractors that came later...but anyhow I was overhauling the old hog block in the 58 chevy, had the grill out and was down in front of engine taking off the water pump when the wrench slipped and I busted a couple of knuckles and pretty good too! I seriously considered quitting for the day...things hadn"t been going too good...and I was considering that the last straw. But, I had to give it one last try. Well, the wrench slipped off again and busted the same knuckles again...boy does that ever hurt! And as I was screaming under my breath..."thats it" "I"m outta here"! As I raised up I banged my head on the bracket that goes across the front and holds the radiator in and bit my tongue real bad at the same time. Moral of this story is: never work on anything when you"re hog eyed. Fred OH

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37 chief

12-12-2004 22:31:42




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
I needed to drill out a broken block stud on my AC Model M. I have a lot of experience removing broken off screws and bolts from 4-40 and larger, at my work place. so I thought this would be a easy repair. I made a drill guide to bolt to the block and centered it directly over the hole.When I tightened the guide it moved off center. After drilling discovered I drilled the threades completely off one side of the hole. Not a happy discovery. Another time I put the slider in my jeep trans backwards and had only low and reverse. Now I feel better Stan

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jdemaris

12-12-2004 19:31:49




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
I'll mention two of my screwups. One, was rebuilding my own John Deere 2020 ag. tractor with a gas engine. I decided to put high-altitude pistons in it for more power. I wouldn't do it on a customer's tractor, but for mine - what the heck. What a mistake. I could only run the tractor on high-test, and even then it pinged something awful. And, I am (or was) a Deere mechanic. Another screwup spanned over 20 years, believe it or not. When I was a teenager I bought a 1959 Royal Enfield 500 c.c. twin Meteor Minor motorcyle. Ir ran pretty good, but I tore it apart and did a rebuild. Had the cylinders bored, valves done, etc. Put it all together, it started awful, ran like a dog with very little power, and I was disgusted. I sold it to another kid, this being in 1968. The guy I sold it too became a reclusive drunk, the bike laid in the woods behind his house, and that was it until 1989 - 21 years later. I was working for a Deere dealer and had to go on a road call to service a log skidder in Northern New Jersey. Being only 10 miles from my old home town, I stopped at the guy's house (who had bought my old bike). I'd heard he was sort of a mental case and was living on Social Security disability, still sitting home and drinking. I stoppped in to see him. He was in rough shape and delusional. He told me he was an ambassador for Australia, owned a castle in England, and a few other choice things. I felt bad and wanted to leave. All of a sudden, he mentions my old bike. Said he restored it and it was like new. He then asked me if I wanted it back, and I said "sure." I went to the woods behind his house, and there is was - half sank in the mud, right where he'd left it over 20 years before. Now, all rusted, engine set-up, etc. But, still a classic British bike and the chrome still looked pretty good. The English make good chrome. I loaded it up on my service truck and took it back home to Central New York State. Now, to end my long story. I pulled it all apart - with great effort since it was so rusted. Come to find out, as a teenager, I had mixed up the camshafts. They look the same and are not marked. One is the intake camshaft and one is the exhaust camshaft. Lift and timing is quite different between them. Switched them around, along with a lot of other work, put it together - and it finally runs right. First time since the late 1960s.

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Josh (Holt T-35)

12-12-2004 19:25:02




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
This wasn"tmy fault, but very disappointing. I had just finished my holt, basically jsut cleaning it up, painting it, and servicing it. Started right up and I took off down the road and around the back corner of the vinyard. I started going down hill to go through the creek and the left brake pedal went all the way down! I figured something broke and had to run it back to the barn making only right turns. The brake band had brolen where it is bolted tothe transmission case. Had to pull all the sheetmetal and gas tank. I then took the tranny cover off using the bucket on out Kubota. Welded the band back up and I have played with the Holt for several hours every week during the good weather.

When I had the cover off, I saw the other band had been broken and welded in the same place.

Now, the old Holt gives namy hours of fun, and has saved the Kubota from a mud hole!

Josh

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Frank M.

12-12-2004 16:54:23




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
'39 H JD. I had to get new pistons for it. I noticed the wrist pins slid out of the old pistons easily, but I couldn't get the new pins to go into the hole in the rod. I've seen some rods that need the wrist pin pressed in, so I figured they might be an updated design or something. I don't own a press (yet),but I DO have a big old shop vise. The result was a brand new piston reduced to a piece of scrap aluminum( actually 3 pieces). I later found out the wrist pin bushing in the rod was undersized.
Come on, guys top that so I won't be the one that's pulled the stupidest stunt. LOL

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Charlie M

12-12-2004 11:59:37




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
I've had too many to list but I would have had a lot less if I had found this site a lot sooner.



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DP

12-12-2004 07:21:18




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
Probably the biggest was a few years ago repairing a gas tank. Tractor had set for 40 years, but I removed the tank and completly filled with water and dumpped twice, then flushed, let day and set for a week. Was all but done with the repair and BOOM, blew the end completly out of the tank! I was real lucky that day!



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Way Up Here

12-12-2004 05:40:59




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
This isn't a biggie but it is very recent and reminded me to check things along as you build them. I built a new battery box (one open side with a combination removeable side cover/lid setup) for a friend of mine and the box has a bent steel plate supporting bracket underneath the box that runs the length of the box. The bracket is different at opposite ends. After fabricating the box and the bracket, I set them both on the tractor and marked in where the one was to be welded to the other. Back to the welder and away I went, did a great weld (more than I needed) and when I went back to fit it on I realized that I welded the bracket on backwards end for end and the open side of the box was facing the wrong way and you wouldn't be able to get the battery out from that side because of tractor linkages in the way. Back to the bench for some swearing and grinding and cold-chilselling made for a very frustrating morning. Worked out OK but I wasn't a happy camper.

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Paul in Mich

12-12-2004 08:24:39




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to Way Up Here, 12-12-2004 05:40:59  
If you take a picture of the tractor, your box should fit nicely on the negative.



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Wau Up Here

12-12-2004 12:35:13




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to Paul in Mich, 12-12-2004 08:24:39  
I'm not quite sure what you're saying with the negative thing. Maybe I didn't make it too clear but since there is a front and back to the mounting bracket ends (they are different) and one open box side, then the box cannot be mounted the way I welded it because the battery can't be taken out the open side (stuff in the way). It is from a WD Allis by the way, maybe should have mentioned that.

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Bill WI

12-12-2004 05:53:45




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to Way Up Here, 12-12-2004 05:40:59  
Haven't you been approached by one of the tractor companies? Seems they hire engineers that do things like this regularly, but they don't change it. lol Sorry, couldn't resist. Bill



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John A.

12-12-2004 05:18:32




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
Old, I echo Cowmans comment On lots. But I will keep this one simple .
Go through the entire restoration process from top to bottom, and front to back. Go to great pains in sandblasting, H20 sanding, priming, wetsand and prime the sheetmetal again. ONLY to shoot yourself in the foot by useing crappy, cheapa$$ paint.!!!
Later,
John A.



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Nebraska Cowman

12-12-2004 03:55:51




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
Lots of Oppsies I'd rather forget, maybe the worst was a ¼ nut that went through the turbo and into #3 piston on a factory brand new engine.



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Willy-N

12-11-2004 20:28:36




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 Re: Your biggest restoration Oops! in reply to old fashioned farmer, 12-11-2004 20:15:41  
Worst thing I can think of is taking a nice cleaned up 8N engine using my boom pole to carry it into my shop with. I was using a TO-30 with out posision control to lower the boom. It went down real fast and smashed into the concrete hard! It happen so quick I pulled back on the control and did it again and busted the pan into the crank! I sure like posision control on my newer Massey 135 now!! After that I used a cable hoist to lower things like that again. Ruin the block in the process. Mark H.

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