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O/T Positioning of Home

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Dug

01-25-2005 17:16:08




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Aw rite, you guys always seem to know the oddest stuff, so here goes:

Wife and I are in the process of putting together plans for building a home later this summer. One of the aspects I want to plan for is proper positioning of the home, decks and windows to effectively utilize the benefits of the sun while decreasing it's negative aspects. I want to utilize the southern sun during the winter months and minimize the impact of the sun during the warmer months. I am not concerned with wind, as we will be tucked neatly into a hillside with ample trees to block the prevailing winds. My main concern is the sun. Any good websites that would help us determine how to position the house?


One kicker is that our best view faces the north east. Any help is appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Dug

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doug stockman

01-27-2005 03:06:22




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Dug:

There are a number of books out there on this topic. I will see if I can post some text I started writing a few yrs ago but never finished. I have a summary for solar home design, but it is on another computer. Let me know if you are interested.

Doug Stockman
Penfield, NY

Building a Passive Solar Home

Introduction
During the oil crisis of the 1970’s many Americans built homes that relied less on non-renewable energy products like heating oil and more on free renewable energy sources like solar. At that time many solar designs were tried. Most of them did not stand the test of time. Active solar systems that collected solar energy in one place and then moved it to another place for use proved less than reliable. By the late 1990’s and the early twenty first century, passive solar home designs became the norm. Passive solar homes do not require moving energy by any mechanical means. By using a few simple rules when designing and building a house, reliance on fossil fuels can be reduced by 10-100%.

This text introduces the reader to the design principles for creation of a passive solar home. The home shown throughout this book is our own home that we built during 1999-2000. Although our style choices may not be for others, the passive solar principles remain the same. Whether you are building a two room log cabin or a 5,000 square foot mansion, the ideas remain applicable.

Our goals in building this home were to create a pleasant living environment that used less energy for heating and cooling than a similarly sized typical builder’s special. In much of America, subdivisions bursting with new homes are created every day that ignore simple design considerations that would greatly reduce energy consumption. In many of these tract homes, the sun is seen as an enemy to be kept at bay. The result is higher energy costs in a less comfortable environment.

Although having a fair amount of land is helpful when collecting solar energy, it is not required. Even tract homes could be built to take advantage of the sun’s energy. This would require builders planning ahead.

Environmental purists might balk at the idea of new home construction. In many ways, building a new home requires huge amounts of energy. Maybe even more energy to build than can be saved by the energy-saving techniques over the life of the new home. The creation and transportation of raw materials is huge. Just think of all the fossil fuels required to harvest timber, process the timber into lumber, dry the wood, then transport the processed lumber to your site. The same use of non-renewable energy occurs for almost every building material. Therefore, the purists can make a case for everyone adapting older homes or living in apartments in cities. This approach would definitely reduce the use of resources.

Fortunately, or unfortunately depending on your perspective, America offers a great deal of freedom to choose how you want to live. In the real world people will build homes where ever and however they want. Many people, me included, enjoy open spaces away from neighbors. Therefore, since many people will choose to live outside cities, it makes sense to build an energy efficient house in place of an inefficient house. The use of building materials will remain about the same for both houses.


Basic Design Principles
Many methods exist to build a comfortable home that reduces reliance on exhaustible energy. This book mainly addresses methods applicable to temperate climates in North America. Our home was built near Rochester, NY. Most of the design ideas will work in areas that experience a true winter season. Some of these concepts are less useful for warmer climates. For those who live in the southern hemisphere, all references to North and South must be reversed.

Below is a list of solar principles. Although the principles are straight forward, their implementation can vary greatly. This text cannot provide a step-by-step guide to passive solar home design. Rather, many concepts and suggestions are put forth. The home owner will pick and choose from the examples to create a structure that meets their passive solar needs. It is definitely desirable to create novel solutions that meet the basic solar collection principles. For example, I had never heard of any passive solar home using SpanCrete for a flooring material. I knew I needed thermal mass to store solar energy. The SpanCrete was my unique answer for a ready-made floor with high heat storage capacity.

How aggressively solar energy is collected is up to the individual. The more aggressively solar energy is collected and stored, the less energy from non-renewable sources will be required. The trade off is in the cost of construction and the day to day work the home owner must do to collect and store that energy. There is a lower threshold to this relationship. Applying very basic solar principles will cost no more than “normal” home construction. But for those who want a larger percentage of their home heating energy to come from the sun, additional cost may be incurred, or changes in home design must be used. In general, the larger the contribution of home heating that comes from the sun, the more the construction costs and the more work the home owner must perform after the initial threshold is passed. This concept will be addressed throughout the text as we discuss solar design options. That being said, passive solar homes do not have to cost much more than non-solar homes and the extra cost can definitely be recovered by reduced heating bills over the life of the house.

In most situations, it is not possible to get all home heating energy from only the sun. All renewable sources of energy are intermittent in nature. There will be cloudy periods when minimal solar energy is available for collection. There is also a practical limit to how much heat energy can be stored during sunny periods for use during non-sunny periods. It is not unusual in Rochester, NY to have thick cloud cover for more than a week at a time. To store enough heat energy to last more than a week of clouds is unreasonable. Therefore, an alternate heat source must be available. Our goal in Rochester is to reduce our reliance on non-renewable energy by 50%. To reduce that amount further would be difficult. Other more sunny areas may be capable of reducing non-solar energy demands by even 80-90%. To reach full 100% reliance on solar heating is quite difficult.

This 100% reliance on solar heating was one of the downfalls of many of the solar home designs of the 1970’s. The cost to build and operate these 100% solar homes was high. In addition, during cloudy periods these 100% solar homes became cold and uncomfortable. They also often looked different than “normal” homes. These facts created the belief among the general population that all solar homes are inherently unreliable and often cold. By not chasing the magical 100% solar heat goal, a normal appearing house that is comfortable to live in and requires minimal home-owner effort is a reasonable goal.

For example, our house appears like a typical suburban home from the Northeastern United States. The casual observer would not know our house is a solar home. In addition to solar heating, we use a high efficiency wood stove and a natural-gas fired boiler that powers a radiant floor heater. The radiant floor system allows the house to never get colder than a pre-set minimum. On days when the sun does not warm the house enough for our comfort, we can either fire up the wood stove or raise the thermostat on the radiant floor system. Collecting solar energy reduces our dependence on firewood and natural gas heat, but we have the luxury of always having a warm home.


Solar Principle #1
Orient the house properly with respect to the sun. The long axis of the house should face true South. A variation of about 15 degrees either way from geographic South is an acceptable compromise. Going much beyond that will reduce solar heat gain and may cause overheating. One problem many people face is when a desirable vista is North or West of the house. Hard choices need to be made regarding window placement. A compromise is possible, but both the view and the solar heat gain may be less than ideal.

South


Figure 1
The long axis of the house runs in an East-West direction so that the widest part of the house faces true South


Magnetic South and geographic or true South are in most cases not the same thing. For example, Rochester’s magnetic declination is approximately 8 degrees West of true North. When facing South, take a magnetic South reading, then swing 8 degrees to the West to find true South. Another method to achieve the same result is to place two sticks in the ground along the shadow line at the exact middle of the day. Those two sticks define the line to true South.

Magnetic North Geographic North

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Solar Principle #2
Design on a 12 month basis. Build with appropriate window overhangs so sun penetrates deeply into the house in winter, and not at all in the summer. The fact that the sun is low in the Southern sky during the Northern hemisphere’s winter and directly overhead in summer is a very important point. When appropriately designed overhangs are used, almost the entire inside of the house in bathed in direct sunlight in December, and no direct sunlight enters the house in June. Having large windows on the East or West sides of the house can defeat this feature. The result is usually an overheated house in the summer. One adaptation to allow large windows on the East and West sides of the house is to use deciduous trees on the East and West to block morning and evening summer sun. In the winter when the added solar insolation is welcome, the deciduous trees have dropped their leaves to allow sunlight into the house. Use evergreen trees, outbuildings, hills, or other natural barriers on the North to block cold winter winds.

Figure 2
Elevation of the sun in the Southern sky at various times of the year


Figure 3
An ideal passive solar orientation with open space to the South, Large evergreens to the North, and deciduous trees to the East and West.


Solar Principle #3
Provide effective thermal mass to store free solar heat in the daytime for nighttime use. As sunlight enters the home through South-facing windows, the sunlight will warm whatever it falls on. If the sunlight falls on surfaces with minimal thermal mass, there is no place for the excess heat to be stored. The temperature of the surface with the low thermal mass rapidly rises. This high temperature surface then transfers the heat quickly to the surrounding room. The result is an overheated house on sunny days.

If the sunlight falls on a surface that can absorb the heat and has adequate thermal mass to store that heat, the surface of the high thermal mass structure stays fairly cool. Excess heat is transferred to the excess thermal mass. This means the surface of the thermal mass does not get too hot because all the heat is getting stored in the thermal mass. Once the sunlight stops hitting the high thermal mass surface and the room temperature begins to drop, the stored heat in the high thermal mass surface will gradually return the stored energy back to the room. The laws of nature, i.e. thermodynamics, guarantee that all heat stored in the thermal mass cannot just disappear. It must be released sooner or later back into the room.

Water is about twice as efficient as concrete at storing heat. The attraction of concrete is that it can be part of the house’s normal structure (floor, walls, etc.). A balance between window size/solar insolation and thermal mass storage must be achieved. If too much thermal mass is used, money is wasted on building materials that can serve no purpose. If not enough thermal mass is used, the house will overheat. Thermal mass can also be used to store nighttime coolness for release during the heat of the day in the summer (see Solar Principle #8). The PSIC BuildersGuide computer program can calculate the thermal mass size once the dimensions, including window areas, are known.

Solar Principle #4
Insulate thoroughly and use well-installed vapor barriers. Keep whatever heat enters the house inside the house by super-insulating. The house should be sealed tightly to avoid air infiltration. The goal is to have the house built so well and tightly that an air heat exchanger is required. Use air lock entrances on at least the most commonly used entrance, if not all entrances. The goal for house “tightness” is less than 0.35 total air exchanges per hour. At this level you will need a heat exchanger.

Sidebar
A basic principle of thermodynamics is that heat will attempt to distribute itself evenly. If a metal bar that is 110 degrees is placed on another metal bar that is 50 degrees, the warmer bar will transfer heat to the cooler metal bar until both bars achieve the same intermediate temperature. If the inside of a house is heated to 70 degrees while the outside temperature is 0 degrees, the natural tendency is for the heat to flow from the high temperature inside to the low temperature outside.

When talking about house design, two main factors determine how quickly the heat moves from the warm inside to the cold outside. The first factor is the amount of insulation between the warm and the cold. How well insulation (or any building material) resists the movement of warm to cold is called the R-value. The higher the R-value the better an insulator is at slowing the movement of heat from the warm inside to the cold outside. Modern homes built in cold climates generally have walls containing insulation of at least R-19 and roofs of at least R-40.

The second factor that determines how quickly heat is transferred from the warm inside to the cold outside is based on how leaky the house is. If doors and windows do not fit well, gaps will exist where warm air leaks out and cold air leaks in. The same leaky situation can exist where any two surfaces meet. For example, between the walls and the roof gaps may exist that allow the free passage of air. The degree to which a house leaks in measured in the number of air exchanges per hour. The total volume of air that can be contained in the house is measured. Then a measure is taken of how much air can escape over an hour. A “tight” house will allow less than 35% of its total volume of air to escape every hour. This value of leakiness would be stated as “0.35 air exchanges per hour” and is calculated by a blower door test. When a house is this tight, an air heat exchanger is usually required. This will be discussed more fully in the insulation chapter.

Solar Principle #5
Use windows as solar collectors in the winter and cooling devices in the summer. When combined with effective thermal mass, the South facing windows can be up to 12% surface area of the floor’s surface area. This means that if the main floor is 1,000 square feet, the southern exposure windows on the main floor can equal up to 120 square feet. South facing windows let in solar energy. If the south-facing windows let in more energy than can be stored by the available thermal mass, the house overheats. This means reduced comfort for the homeowners. Many times the sweating homeowner will then be forced to open a window in the middle of the winter. Sitting near an open window in winter is often not a pleasant situation.

The North-facing windows should be less than about 4% of the floor surface area. In the Northern hemisphere, North-facing windows allow no solar energy into a home. They allow heat to escape. The R value of a typical Low-E window is around 4. The typical insulated wall has an R value of around 20. Therefore, any North facing window allows heat to escape easily compared to the surrounding walls. To make matters worse, in the Northeast USA the predominant winter winds come from the North and West. This increases heat loss through the North-facing windows. North-facing windows should be kept small and only used where interior lighting or code requirements demand them.

East and West facing windows can potentially cause more comfort problems than North-facing windows. This is because morning and evening sun comes in through East and West-facing windows respectively. In the winter this is not a bad thing. But in the summer, the result is generally overheating. Image a house in August which is 78 degrees inside. Then imagine a person standing in front of a West-facing window at five PM. The strong summer sun is beating down on the person making them think it is 100 degrees inside. To avoid these large swings in temperature, the East and West facing windows can be in the 4% range. This 4% figure can be increased if deciduous trees are used to block morning and evening summer sun. The trees lose their leaves in the autumn and allow East and West windows to collect winter sun, but block the collection of solar energy at other times of the year. When large trees cannot be planted, minimize East and West window surface area to 4% or less. In this situation, the East and West-facing windows two main purposes are to illuminate the home’s interior and to allow cross ventilation during the warmer months.

As stated previously, windows have a low R-value. Therefore they lose heat quickly. During sunny periods, the large window surface area may allow more heat energy to be collected than is lost during the night. But during cloudy periods, large window surface areas may allow more heat to escape than is collected during overcast days. To avoid this excessive heat loss during nighttime and extended overcast periods, window coverings that have insulating properties should be used. Unfortunately, commercially available window treatments that are attractive and have high R-values remain elusive. This topic is discussed more fully in a later chapter.

The type of window you choose can make a big difference in energy efficiency. Consider using low-E windows to reduce heat loss. These newer windows are double paned, gas filled, and often have a special membrane between the glass panes that reduce heat transfer. A Low-E window has an R-value of around four. Although this does not seem like much, it is double the R-value of a normal double pane window. One problem with these specially treated windows is they can reduce the transmission of solar radiation. Placing Low-E windows on the South side can significantly reduce the amount of solar energy collected. Using low-E windows only on the North, East, and West facing windows may be the most intelligent decision.

Solar Principle #6
Do not over-glaze. This cannot be overstated. Remember that the ultimate goal is to have a comfortable home that reduces reliance on non-renewable energy sources. Over-glazing generally results in large swings in temperature. Stick closely to the rules stated in Solar Principle #5. Avoid skylights whenever possible. South-facing skylights increase solar collection in both the winter and the summer. They lead to summer overheating unless a method is available to stop all solar collection during the warmer months. North-facing skylight have no benefits with regards to reducing energy consumption. They do not collect solar energy during the winter, but they allow excess heat loss when compared with an R 40 roof. They do allow heat collection during the summer when excess heat is not wanted. The result is the exact opposite of the stated goal.

Solar Principle #7
Do not over or undersize your active heating and cooling systems. Take into account the super-insulated characteristics of the house. An oversized furnace or air conditioner will cycle on and off frequently wasting energy. Given the intermittent nature of solar energy sources, size the furnace to provide all the required heat in the event the solar heating addition is negligible.

Solar Principle #8
Provide fresh air to the home without compromising thermal integrity. The house should be well constructed so that unwanted air infiltration is minimal. Then design systems such as air heat exchangers which precisely control the number of air exchanges per hour. At least 2/3’s of a home’s total air volume should be exchanged every hour. Excessive air moisture should be quickly vented to the outside. Therefore, bathrooms require fans that move steamy air directly outside. During summer months in temperate climates, ceiling/attic fans can effectively cool a house. During the daylight hours, a small attic fan vents hot attic air to the outside and replaces it with cooler outside air. During the night, a larger fan vents air from the inside of the house into the attic. This brings cool outside air in through open windows and vents the warmer house air into the attic which vents the hot attic air outside. The cool night air being drawn in through open windows cools the thermal mass. During the next day, the thermal mass slowly releases the coolness gained during the night into the home’s interior. Solar Principle #9
Passive solar homes do not require different or unusual building materials. Common standard building materials are used in slightly different ways to achieve energy efficiency and solar thermal gain.

Solar Principle #10
Passive solar design principles can be used in diverse architectural styles. Complete independence from fossil fuel-based heating and cooling methods is often not the goal. By carefully applying various passive solar techniques where architecturally appropriate, a reduction in heating/cooling bills can vary from 10-100%. Some reduction in dependence on fossil fuel heating/cooling is better than none.

Land Selection and Orientation

Thermal Mass


Solar Glazing


Insulating and Wall/Roof Construction


Heating and Cooling


Example Home
This Chapter discusses some of the choices made on our own house.

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Slofr8

01-28-2005 17:29:03




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 Re: O/T Positioning of Home in reply to doug stockman, 01-27-2005 03:06:22  
Hi Doug,
VERY good stuff! What really caught my attention is the part on thermal storage. I was thinking of putting radiant floor heat in the basement of the house we plan to build. I'll have southern exposure and alot of glass there but was concerned about overheating the main level with radiant floor. (The price of it also makes me think twice!) I was concidering going with baseboard and doing something similar to what is in your message. Laying down 2x4's flat about 16" or 2' apart and pouring 1.5" of concreat for thermal storage. Now I would have ceramic tile in the entry, kitchen and dinning room and I'm sure this would work great but would putting a hard wood floor over the concreat in the living room affect the performance much or should wood be avoided? Thanks. Dan.

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doug stockman

01-29-2005 02:15:16




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 Re: O/T Positioning of Home in reply to Slofr8, 01-28-2005 17:29:03  
Dan:

We also have radiant floor heating. It works well. Do not worry about overheating from radiant floor heat if used by itself. You will have multiple thermstat-controlled zones.

If you will also use passive solar, then you will overhead if you have 1. too much southern glass exposure or 2. not enough thermal mass that is hit by the sun. If you have at least 4-5 inches of concrete then you can have glass area up to about 12% of floor area. That is assuming the floor area does not have significant furniture or throw rugs on them. If not so much available thermal mass, then keep Southern window exposure down to no more than 8% of floor areas (e.g. 1000 sft main floor area x 0.08 = 80 sft window surface area). Make sure you have insulated shades on the windows. This reduces heat loss at night and you can close a few of the shades if the house starts overheating.

Windows are hard to calculate. If your area does not have much sun in the winter, it is easy to lose more heat out the windows during cloudy days than you gain during the occassional sunny day. Our walls are about R-40, but our windows are R2 on the southern side and R3 on the other sides of the house. Low-E windows block sunlight too much so we put double panes on the south and low-E on the rest of the house. Still, the heat loss through an R-3 window compared to an R-40 wall is huge. We keep triple honeycomb shades on our windows when there is no sun that add about an R-3. Windows have another measure that tells how well it allows light to pass through it. For the southern windows you want much light to get through. I cannot remember the measure - maybe transmittance value.

Make sure your southern overhang is adequate. If not, too much sun comes in during warmer weather. In Rochester, NY we have about a 1 ft overhang. During May, June, July, we have at most about 6-8 inches of sun getting into the house. We often close our insulated shades on hot days in the summer to keep the heat out. We then open the windows at night to cool our thermal mass down.

You can put wood over radiant heat. It will decrease efficiency some. Make sure you insulate well under the radiant that is under the wood. That forces the heat to go through the wood instead of through the underside of the gypcrete or concrete. You have to keep the radiant heating temperature down under the wood or the wood will crack. On our second floor we use carpet and the radiant heat works well if you use a special open pore pad under the carpet.

Consider using Gypcrete instead of concrete on top of your plywood or OSB decking. Gypcrete expands and contracts less than concrete.

I hope this makes sense and helps.

Doug

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01-29-2005 08:45:54




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 Re: O/T Positioning of Home in reply to doug stockman, 01-29-2005 02:15:16  
Hi again Doug.
Thanks for the quick reply! Yes, it all makes sense and helps alot. I'm in Northern Maine and my lot will have a lot of winter sun. Sun rise till sun set. I planed on rather long eaves, 3'. I'll have a daylight basement towards the south and single floor on top of that. I can't see pouring a concrete floor in the basement and not instaling tubes for radiant floor so the basement will have floor heat. However, trying to keep costs down, I considerd baseboard on the main living level. We are definitely going to have a wood stove in the living room for secondary heat and for astetics so I question how much heat that level will need. By that I mean, will raidiant floor be worth the cost and/or be overkill? I belive adding the 1.5" of mass to the upstairs floor will really help. Questions are, (1) will a wood floor keep the mass from absorbing solar heat, and (2) if I'm going to be adding mass (gypcrete) should I just go ahead and add the tubes there also. Funds are limited so consesions would have to be made elsewhere. On a slightly different note, What is your opinion on insulation under the basement slab with radiant floor. There seems to be two schools of thought here. (1) insulate completly, or, (2) leave the middle uninsulated to create a "heat sink" that will store, and give off heat if ever needed. May even add to summer cooling? The guy thats going to be doing the foundation says to insulate completly.
Thanks again. Dug was right. There's a wealth of information on this board. Dan.

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01-30-2005 02:34:35




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Wood will not allow the sun's warmth to heat the thermal mass.

Gypcrete is generally used to hold the radiant floor tubes, so yeah, use radiant heat on the main floor if you can afford. If you do not go with radiant on the main floor, forget the gypcrete. Either way, with wood floors, you may want to keep your south facing windows to less than 8% of floor surface area. Otherwise you will probably overheat.

Three feet of overhang seems a bit much. There are books out there to calculate how large the overhang should be. With a three foot overhang, you may not have any solar gain by April - which I suspect is still very cold in Maine. Of course, the amount of overhang is dependent on the size of the windows in the vertical direction and their proximity to the overhang.

Probably 80% of our heat comes from our high efficiency wood stove, but a warm floor when you first get up in the morning is nice. I assume your radiant heat boiler will power the baseboard heaters on the main floor if you choose to go with the baseboards instead of in-floor heating.

If you expect to do most of your heating on the main floor with the wood stove, you may want to see if you can use the wood stove to heat the radiant heat as a backup. Since you have all the thermal mass (if gypcrete), you can store large amounts of heat from the wood stove.

For the basement, definitely place tubing in the concrete. The tubing is cheap and the concrete is already going in there.

Insulate everywhere as best you can. Get at least R-10 under the basement slab. Do not leave an opening uninsulated under the slab. You will just be heating the ground under the slab and some of that heat will bleed off away from your home.

It is possible to overinsulate, but in my mind, insulation and a tight house are the most cost effective interventions you can do. Heating fuels of all types will only go up in cost. You will pay more and more each winter to heat your house. Insulation is only paid for once. Keep the heat you put into the house where it belongs and do not let it escape. That applies for a tight house as well. Once the insulating crew goes through, spend a day with insulation, caulk and expandable foam to seal every place you can find that may allow cold air in. I spent about 8 hours doing that. It is time and money well spent.

Although we have many double hung windows, consider using almost all casement windows. They seal much better and do not leak so quickly over time. If you get your home really tight (< 0.35 air exchanges per hour, we are 0.25), you will need a heat exchanger, also called a heat recovery ventilation unit. That keeps much of the heat you paid for in the house while exchanging stale inside air with fresh outside air.

Best of luck.

Doug

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01-30-2005 06:38:49




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 Re: O/T Positioning of Home in reply to doug stockman, 01-30-2005 02:34:35  
Thanks Doug.
I'll have to rethink what I'll put on the the floor. I'm talking to a heating guy this week or next and I'll have him price it both ways. With radiant floor on one level and on both. We will have two sliding glass doors on the South side that go right to the floor (naturaly!) with 8' ceilings and the livingroom will have 10' ceilings with the glass being about 18" off the floor. I did a rough estimate using this web site>Link
Dan.

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01-31-2005 02:14:59




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 Re: O/T Positioning of Home in reply to Slofr8, 01-30-2005 06:38:49  
Dan:

Your property sounds beautiful! I will stop worrying about your overhang. You did the calculations you needed to.

Glad to give my 2 cents. I hope your new home exceeds your expectations.

Doug



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01-26-2005 23:36:28




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 Re: O/T Positioning of Home in reply to Dug, 01-25-2005 17:16:08  
You might try to find out if wintertime solar heating works very well in your area. Some areas work a lot better than others. With our usual gray cloudy winters here in Eastern Washington, I question if winter solar heat gain is something I should even worry about. On the other hand, our Summers are often very bright and hot. When I built my house, I paid extra to get "heat mirror" windows on the west side of the house to cut down on the afternoon air conditioning load. Those windows make quite a difference--most of the radiant heat from direct sunlight coming through those windows is reflected back out. It really makes a big difference in the comfort of those West rooms in the Summer and probably holds in more heat in the Winter. I wish I had specified the heat mirror windows on all of the windows in the new house, but I guess I was being a little cheap.

Super insulation is really worth it and there is no better time to do insulating than when you are constructing the house. If you don't do the work yourself, inspect it and make sure it has been done right.

I would look for a plan that would allow me to enjoy the view the most. I agree with one of the other posters, that you can change lots of things about your house environment, but probably not the view.

Good luck in building your new house. It is an adventure!

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01-26-2005 17:54:52




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You already have some great ideas and advise. All I can add is insulation is a great investment. It will pay you back for as long as you own the house. Do a good job, use thick walls, maybe double stud. Don't run pipes or electrical wires in the walls. They have to come out and that is a hole in the vapor barrier which can leak cold air. And not having pipes in the outside walls keeps them from ever freezing. Make sure the insulation is installed right. No gaps, if you have a gap that lets cold air to the inside, that whole bay is now a cold spot. don't stuff it in, it needs to fit, but not be stuffed in. If a contractor does the insulation, watch him like a hawk, they love to go fast and do a rough job. You can't fix it later insist on it being done right. Do it yourself and take the time to do a perfect job. Then put up a poly vapor barrier.

Have a long wall on the south side with a lot of glass or a glassed in porch. Have enough overhand to shade the glass in the summer. Insulation is the main thing though.

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01-26-2005 16:52:29




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 Re: O/T Positioning of Home in reply to Dug, 01-25-2005 17:16:08  
I'd get a book or two about how Frank Lloyd Wright approached building a home. I've taught Architectual Design for many years and Wright has some good advice.
For starters you need to begin to look at the shadows about the site at different times of the year. You want sun in the kitchen and breakfast area in the AM when you are eating your breakfast.
You want some sun all day, and it is desirable to view the sun setting if possible. With today's insulation and heating capacities you want all your sleeping areas on the cooler side of the house. What an exciting time in your lives. Remember you can modify the drawings, but moving the home or changing after completion is very costly. You can't do too much planning. Lastly, you might begin by spending a day just sitting on the site and watching the sun and all the other affects of the weather about the place and imagine a house sitting where you are. Get the feel of the spot where a lot of your life is going to be spent.
God Bless,

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buickanddeere

01-26-2005 11:38:50




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No matter which way the road runs I like seeing buildings built on true North-South.
As far as heating, insulation is important but far more heat is lost through air leaks. Build to R2000 standards where the house is almost as airtight as a submarine. Then install a fresh-air heat exchanger. Your appliances,lights and occupants will provide most of the winter heat.



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rustyj14

01-26-2005 09:56:09




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Here's a tip: If you are planning on having a barn and possibly raising cattle or horses, by all means, situate the house up-wind from the barn. Nothing worse than having a barbecue outside with the aroma from the barnyard and barn wafting over everything! figure out where the prevailing wind usually blows from! by: Rustyj



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JDB

01-26-2005 10:38:22




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Also make sure house is uphill from barn



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Slofr8

01-26-2005 08:18:04




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Hi Dug,
I bought some land about three years ago and this is how I decided to position my house. (hopefully this spring). The house will be longer in the east west direction to take advantage of the low winter sun. Eaves will be 3' long and offer good shade in summer. South side will have a daylight basement so only one story will be exposed on the cold north side. The garage will be on the west to block the setting summer sun and partiely block the cold north west wind. Rooms inside will put the rooms used the most on the south side as much as practical. I spent almost four years looking for land slightly sloping with southern exposure. Once I found it I was surprised at how most people give no consideration to this at all. Around here a lot of people build with big windows and decks to take advantage of the "veiw". Problem is, the view is west, looking up the river valley and they have a deck they can't enjoy because of the heat and they have to close the drapes after noon from spring till fall. Then those big windows are being blasted by the wind all winter. My veiw won't be of the valley but of my own land so I guess it'll be what I make of it.
Like you, my main concern was the hot summer sun but I allso want to have it nice and bright in the winter when winter here can sometimes seem long. (Northern Maine).
The sun should keep daytime heating needs low. I'm not concerned about heat loss from the south glass because we will have a wood stove in the livingroom as secondary heat. I have 35 wooded acers and am allways cutting wood to thin and make trails for the kids so fuel won't be a problem. I'm not saying I'm right and someone else is wrong. This just seems to achieve what I was trying to acomplish without adding any extras to the cost of building.
Here are a couple sites I found interesting.
Good luck. Dan.
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farmalljim10

01-26-2005 06:23:30




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Brian in NY hit the nail on the head . Use low -E glass as it screenes sun in the summer and lets it in in the winter. The way it works is with iron filings that you cant see and with the suns angle so in winter it hits more filings and in the winter less per square inch..All done by the angle of the sun Its great but it does cost more and you could get bywith only putting them in your south and west walls..

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Scott NC

01-26-2005 04:59:42




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There are several good home design books available that go into detailed discussions of window placement for max light, heat retention, etc. Do an Amazon search on home design. I have one written by Sperling and DiDonno that I like. You can usually get a used copy for $10 or less.



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2x4

01-25-2005 23:35:24




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noon Dec. 21 (solstice)is the time the suns angle is calculated from. At noon, if the sun is at a 90 degree angle to your wall, you get maximum heat. If, at noon, your wall is at an angle of 35 degrees or more to the sun, solar heating is negigible. So plan accordingly; if your wall won't face the sun squarely, you won't get any heat anyway.



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Bill Drew

01-25-2005 20:15:04




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If your best view is to the NE, put your windows on the NE side of the house. Insulate like crazy. The point of windows is to look out of - they are a net heat loss. Much less of a loss on the south side, but still will loose more heat at night than they gain in the day.

The biggest thing you can do to cut heating costs is to make the house as small as you can possibly live with.

Having said that, it is nice feeling the sun coming into the house in the middle of the winter. Our best view is to the south so that is where we have our glass. We don't have to heat at all in the middle of a sunny day even when it is -10F, but we do pay for having that glass at night.

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wolfmantractor

01-25-2005 19:07:52




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My first goal was to design house so that when in bed my head was headed true north-it affects tides & your brain. Next, I wanted morning sunshine coming in kitchen window. Porch kinda north east so it was in shade from hottest summer sun. If I had it to do over, I would also had a southern porch for those winter sunny days (which are rare in s.w.Pa).



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Sid

01-25-2005 18:50:38




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This should be a start.http://www.thenaturalhome.com/



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Mike (WA)

01-25-2005 17:45:37




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Proper design depends on your latitude. You want south facing windows, with overhangs/ porches/ shades such that the sun shines through them from about October on (when sun is lower in the sky during mid-day, and you need he heat), but not in summer (sun is higher, so overhangs/ porches/ shades keep sun from coming in the window). West side should be shaded as much as possible- this helps with shading from afternoon sun in summer, and in winter, doesn't really matter too much. As far as your best view being to the north, you need to try to convince yourself to learn to enjoy the south view.

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Dug

01-25-2005 18:07:52




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Mike,

You hit on exactly what I am trying to plan. I have talked with a couple of builders and they do not seem to have the knowledge of how exactly to accomplish this. I was hoping for a website that would "point me in the right direction".

And the view is, unfortunately, north east and overlooks a valley. The southern view is directly into a large group of cedars.

Dug



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Mike (WA)

01-26-2005 07:49:50




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Given the choice, I think I'd build for the view, since the cedars on the south will prevent much solar heating in the winter when the sun is lower in the sky anyhow. A view will be much more valuable on resale than a $10 a month savings in heating cost, and you'll enjoy the house more too. Just get a corn stove and burn some of that cheap corn, and you won't even know the difference :>)



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Nebraska Cowman

01-25-2005 17:28:29




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you want to catch the sun from the south in the winter and keep the west shaded from the summer afternoon sun. North east should be fine if wind is not a concern. here we seldom get wind out of the north east anyway. i used to think a house out to be built "square with the world" but anymore people build every whicha way.



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Willy-N

01-25-2005 17:20:50




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I faced most of our homes porch to the South. This way during the winter the sun comes in under it and thru convection heats the wall and the house, also keep the porch warmer. During the summer the arch of the sun is high so it shades the porch and it keeps the house cooler. Dogs love to lay on the south side of the porch during the winter and the East side during the summer. Mark H.



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Brian in NY

01-26-2005 05:46:25




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As you know, with a home, once it is set there ain't no movin it. I myself think you can deal with temperature, but cant change the view much.

My house is facing North East. I like it. My kitchen is on the south side so I have sunshine coming in most of the day, my living room is angled so that very little sun comes in and thus does not make a glare on the TV.

Retractable awnings can be a great thing for the summer, too.

As someone else said, don't count on the windows for heat...you lose more than you generate...except in summer when having too many sunny windows can cost you in cooling energy.

I am going to put "low-e" windows in the south side of my home to keep cooling costs down in summer.

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