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dkftom

02-19-2005 21:38:33




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Has anyone tried mixing Vegetable oil with gas or diesel fuel to use in a John Deere tractor in place of kerosene? I'm burning strickly gas right now, but as the cost keeps going up, I wonder if it would be practical to use a mixture in my B.




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paul

02-21-2005 07:35:47




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to dkftom , 02-19-2005 21:38:33  
Ethanol (grain alcohol) = gasoline

Veggie oil (mostly soy-oil) = diesel fuel

There are some issus to overcome, which makes it diffiucult for the backyard hobbiest to make these work ecconomically/ practically. Fun to experiment with tho.

Minnesota requires 10% ethanal in all gas; is debating requiring 20% now. Also will require 2% bio in diesel fuel, ramping up to 5% in a few years.

--->Paul

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JT

02-20-2005 16:22:44




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to dkftom , 02-19-2005 21:38:33  
I read an article in Backwoodsman magazine about a guy who grew peanuts, squeezed the oil out of the peanuts, fed the peanuts to his cattle, very high in protein, the took the peanut oil, added lye, and rubbing alchohal to it. stirred it good and then let it sit, syphoned the oil off top, used it in all his diesel trucks, tractors. Also got used cooking oil and did same thing. The only prolem with that is I think the EPA classifies that as Hazardous material. www.backwoodsmanmag.com,It is in the Jan/Feb issue. sure would like to try it, would make for cheap fuel for the truck.

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msb

02-20-2005 11:09:20




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to dkftom , 02-19-2005 21:38:33  
University of Tennessee did some work on making a gasification generator for a farm tractor a few years back.I think they used a Farmall H.It ran on wood as I recall.Others used the same process to power pick up trucks.Maybe there is a Divine PLAN for all these old gas farm tractors being restored?



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Mark - IN.

02-20-2005 06:58:54




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to dkftom , 02-19-2005 21:38:33  
Paid $1.96 for diesel yesterday by me in Bristol. That's as much as the premium I use in the gas truck. And to think that diesel's a bi-product of gas, and by using it, we're doing them a favor, getting rid of it for them. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

I've heard of guys filtering and whatever old used vegetable oil from restaraunts to use instead of expensive diesel, and they swear by it. I'm thinking the way EPA is pushing hydrogen cars and stuff, and Dodge has that hybrid fullsized pickup (contractor's something or other, they call it), one day I aint gonna be able to go out there and start my tractors or trucks, unless I figure out a way to adapt to something else, like raiding the restaraunts grease pits in the middle of the night, fighting the racoons for it. Ha Ha Ha Ha.

Caught Classic Tractor on RFD-TV for the first time ever yesterday. Knew nothing about a Deere A, but now know started on gasoline, switched over to kerosene. Hmm? Wonder what the thought of that was? Lubrication? Whatever the reason, it certainly did work.

Mark

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Gerald J.

02-20-2005 07:25:24




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to Mark - IN., 02-20-2005 06:58:54  
The none gasoline fuel, wasn't really kerosine, wt was "distillate" a relative that was very cheap compared to gasoline in the 1930s. It was harder to burn so required the hot intake manifold to get it to vaporize. So tractors had to warm up on gasoline to burn the stuff. It was fairly low octane rating also, so the engines for it were low compression.

Distillate is used for everything else these days and there isn't such a commercial product.

Gerald J.

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Mark - IN.

02-20-2005 07:34:39




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to Gerald J., 02-20-2005 07:25:24  
Well Gerald, there was a guy on the show looking at old tractors at an auction, specifically the first Deere A produced. It was like a '37. He did make a BIG note that the flaps to close on the front were missing, and did say were to heat up the engine. Hmm? Between what that guy said, and what you just said, I sure did learn something. Thanks Buddy.

Mark



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Tramway Guy

02-20-2005 10:42:30




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to Mark - IN., 02-20-2005 07:34:39  
The shutters on the front of the radiator were used to control the temperature; there was no water pump on the older tractors. The coolant circulated by the "thermo-syphon" method; the warm water rose to the top and cooled in the radiator. Then it went back to the engine and warmed back up. In cold weather it was difficult to heat the engine enough to run properly without the shutters.



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Mark - IN.

02-20-2005 17:59:14




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 I knew none of that. in reply to Tramway Guy, 02-20-2005 10:42:30  
See, life is a never ending learning experience, and this tractor site is a vast library of knowledge and experience. Thanks fellers.

Mark



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RAB

02-20-2005 01:11:12




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to dkftom , 02-19-2005 21:38:33  
So why not use kerosene? It must be cheaper than gas, - isn"t it?
Of course it needs the engine to be kept hot and is better if they are working, rather than parading. My tractors run well on kero, apart from the occasional fouled plug if they are idling around.
Regards, RAB



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John M

02-20-2005 05:39:59




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to RAB, 02-20-2005 01:11:12  
Around here kerosene is more expensive that gas and diesel.



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tlak

02-20-2005 08:22:57




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to John M, 02-20-2005 05:39:59  
KY-kero $2.75 gas and diesel about $1.80



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John M

02-20-2005 09:55:25




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to tlak, 02-20-2005 08:22:57  
Yep,thats about what we pay.I think my grandmother,who has a big kero heater as her main source of heat pays like 3.00 a gallon but thats delivered.My diesel was like 1,89 when I filled up yesterday.



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Mark - IN.

02-20-2005 18:06:54




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to John M, 02-20-2005 09:55:25  
As a kid working at a service station after school and on weekends, there used to be this guy come in and fill two 5 gallon cans all the time with No.2 diesel to use in his family's fuel oil furnace mobile home. It worked, I guess - he did it for years. Am thinking though that fuel oil was cheaper, and probably still is. But, he always used No.2 diesel.

Not many service stations around anymore, huh? Just them convenience store, not much service things.

Mark

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David B

02-19-2005 22:05:00




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 Re: Veggie fuel in reply to dkftom , 02-19-2005 21:38:33  
I wouldn't bother, a B John Deere is pretty fuel efficient as it is.
Plus, diesel fuel is going up too, and vegetable oil isn't really cheap.



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