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PJBROWN

03-13-2005 15:53:51




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Does anyone now the minimun HP to run a double row corn chopper? I just got a NH 782




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Farmered

03-15-2005 03:56:33




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
I'm surprised that no one mentioned legnth of cut.
It will take a lot more ponies to cut it fine than coarse. Ed



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buickanddeere

03-15-2005 14:20:52




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to Farmered, 03-15-2005 03:56:33  
"How fine are you cutting". Somebody did ask back on the 13th.



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Hugh MacKay

03-14-2005 02:53:21




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
PJ Brown: For the most part your question wasn't very well answered. You did ask the minamum hp for the NH 782, and really buickanddeere was the only one to do the question justice, by asking more questions. Those New Holland with separate cutter and blower don't require the amount of hp many harvesters do. My answer would be somewhere between 55 and 100 hp depending on how much and how fast you want to do the harvest. There is a huge difference between a dull poorly adjusted cutterhead, than a sharp fine tuned cutterhead. If you want to run it poorly adjusted and dull, it's going to take a lot of hp to make up for that, probably as much as 40%.

I filled two 24' diameter tower silos, one 50' high, one 70' high on average 3 fillings per year. Fill both with haylage in spring and one with corn in fall. Did that for a couple of years with Farmall 560 diesel and two 40 hp tractors. One 40 hp pulling wagons, the other on blower. Then I added a 656 diesel and 504 gas to fleet. Then I traded 504 off for a 1066. Frist event 1066 destroyed a brand new NH 780. Harvester hadn't filled a silo. Traded the 780 for an 890. 1066 and 890 would put up a 20' wagon load of silage every 10 minutes, and the blower at the silo, forever became a bottleneck, even with 100 hp on the blower.

I can name you numerous farmers that have filled silos for 60 head of cattle, and done it for years with 50 to 60 hp and yes on a two row head. You can slow the feed on that 782 down to match the smaller tractor, and if you keep your cutterhead and blower well adjusted and sharp, you can get along quite well with 50 to 60 hp.

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Glenn F.

03-14-2005 06:34:28




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-14-2005 02:53:21  
We had a 770 New Holland, properly set up, in good corn, and it was TOO much for our 89 hp. 930 CASE. It did the job, but was really not adequate.



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Can't even use my name

03-14-2005 06:10:58




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to Hugh MacKay, 03-14-2005 02:53:21  
40 horse on a 70' silo, yikes! Talk about a bottle neck. Recommended is 1 horse per foot. We used to use 110 horse on our 20x80's which was ok. Would plug on every now and then. Switched to 180 horse and now you can unload with the apron's in high gear. I suppose in about 5 mins for 16' boxes filled to top beater... in corn silage. We don't put up haylage anymore.



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Hugh MacKay

03-14-2005 07:24:33




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to Can't even use my name, 03-14-2005 06:10:58  
Actually the bottleneck I had was the 100 hp tractor on blower with 1066 and 890 harvester supplying the silage. There were 60 and 70 foot silos around these parts long before there were 60 hp tractors. I went on tour before I built my silos. first farm I visited had an 80' silo and blowing with an MF 65. Visiting farms used to be a great education. You realized most of the horse power requirment in silage operations was due to improperly adjusted blowers, dull cutterheads and poor or misadjusted shear bars. From this thread I guess all it takes today is a trip to YT.

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Don-Wi

03-13-2005 21:36:29




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
100 HP is Ideal. We have a 2-row Fox 3000 that we've had for the last 2-3 years. Originally ran our 1755 on that until the engine gave out plowing. Now we have an 1855. The 1755 has 88 hp factory, ours was probably closer to 80. Worked the snot out of it. Our 1855 is closer to 100 hp (rebuilt before we bought it)but I think it's slightly more, factory they were about 95 (I think). Pulls it 1 gear faster, works great.
Donovan from Wisconsin

P.S. You don't have to have a head to match the width of your rows. Our 3000 is a 38" head, our planter is 32". When we used to plant 38", our neighbors did our chopping w/ a 30" head on a gehl.

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Can't even use my name

03-14-2005 06:04:52




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to Don-Wi, 03-13-2005 21:36:29  
32"? That sure is an odd spacing, here anyways. Used to plant in 38" (before my time!) and now most are at 30" Where are you at and is that a common width?



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Don-Wi

03-14-2005 19:27:00




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to Can't even use my name, 03-14-2005 06:04:52  
No, it's not common here either in NE Wisconsin, just what my dad decided to bring the planter into one year. We never had to adjust the wheels on our 285 for cultivator when we went to 32". We only borrowed the neighbor's once or twice when we had the wider row, but then 5-6 years ago we bought one and I narrowed it up.
Donovan from Wisconsin



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Can't even use my name

03-13-2005 18:35:19




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
100 horse will do it ok in decent corn on flat ground but we went upto 125 horse and there is a bit on power in reserve there.



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Glenn F.

03-13-2005 20:29:19




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to Can't even use my name, 03-13-2005 18:35:19  
Exactly...In heavy corn, mud, and a full wagon, 125 HP will be none too much!



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JiminIA

03-13-2005 17:50:01




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
We bought a 790 and a fargo side dump wagon in the late 80's. All we had at the time was a Ford 5600 and a JD 2550 both about 65HP. It really worked the snot out of them, sometimes in real heavy corn we could only run one row. I wouldn't recomend it, but we got buy many years that way. It was all that was available to buy at the time, I forget if they quit making one row units or what the deal was. I would keep it at 100 or better.....Jim

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buickanddeere

03-13-2005 17:44:20




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
How fine are you cutting, will you be doing haylage, do you haul the wagons behind the harvestor, hills on the farm? Do you keep the knives sharp and ledger plate set up? How many acres and are you in a hurry?



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720eere

03-13-2005 17:02:25




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
We pulled a 2 row New Holland years ago with a 4020. In good corn, that's about all she wanted. Later on we used a AC 7010 rated at about 108 hp and it seemed to handle it fine in any corn.



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wolfmantractor

03-13-2005 16:50:34




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
Need 45-50 hp per row.



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thurlow

03-13-2005 16:32:25




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
We ran a 2-row A-C cutter for many years with a 4020 (94 pto HP); good match, but I wouldn't have wanted anything smaller..... ...



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Allan in NE

03-13-2005 16:41:14




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to thurlow, 03-13-2005 16:32:25  
Hey Guy,

We had an old Case one time that was a cut/throw. Aside from the head forever plugging up, the darned old sister brought about the purchase of our first 966. (Bless it's heart) :>)

I bought a Fox (cut/blow) in '74 and thought I'd hooked onto a darned butterknife. :>)

Allan



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thurlow

03-13-2005 20:01:31




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to Allan in NE, 03-13-2005 16:41:14  
Ours was an A-C 780 with cut-and-throw "J" knives; wore one out and bought another. My Dad used to do a lot of custom cutting (locally). Often wondered if the cut-and-blow didn't pull easier, although a neighbor pulled a JD 38 with a 4430 and it seemed to be a good match. Absolutely loved to run that cutter when everything worked; guy on rear to pull pins, couple of tractors to haul, tractor at pit to unload/pack, plus one or two more on the ground at pit. Could hear that machine "moan" for a long way..... .....

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Allan in NE

03-13-2005 16:07:49




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 Re: ? minimum HP in reply to PJBROWN, 03-13-2005 15:53:51  
PJ,

They'll just work the snot out of a 80 horse outfit. I'd sure try to stay up around 100 horse or so.

Allan



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