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OT - What type of trailer?

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farmerboybill

03-15-2005 19:23:54




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I'm looking to get a trailer to haul equipment, hay, etc. At the moment, I do not have a truck with a fifth wheel so am going for a bumper hitch rig. The heaviest thing I'll ever haul will be a Deere 60 or a NH LS150 Skid steer or a load of hay(you know how long that'll last...). Seems to me I should be getting a deckover since the rear tires on the 60 are set at 8 feet. The one I have immediately in mind has 8 bolt rims, making a spare interchangeable with the truck. Anyone have any votes yay or nay on a deckover unit? This trailer fully loaded would be much more than my current truck can handle but I can't afford a newer, bigger truck at this time. I'll hafta be that much more careful about loading and pulling it.

Obviously, a gooseneck trailer would be best but thats not an option for at least a couple years.

Thanks for the help.

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cockshuttguy

03-17-2005 16:58:37




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
I bought a Load Trail which measures 83"x20'w/2' drop and ramps. Bumper hitch and hauled with a 1500 318 dodge. 14000GVW eliminates a number of neighbors with wider tires and heavier tractors from wanting to borrow. A good re-sale unit when you go big time.
my 2 cents.



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T_Bone

03-16-2005 15:21:23




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
Hi Bill,

I ran into a trailer made by Longhorn Trailers, Emory Tx that's dirt cheap priced. 40ft x 8ft 5ft angleiron dovetail, Dexter dual tandums, GN, new $5900. Shorter trailers, 30ft were $5300 or so.

The website doesn't give any trailer spec's and that bothers me. I learned of the price and diminsions for a guy that said he bought 7 of them over the past 6mths on thedieselstop.com, towing forum.

At $5900 is $600 below what materials should cost at mid-wholesale pricing, and that concerns me. Either the builder buys materials in huge quanitys or there trailers are lacking good design property's.

Same trailer but PJ Trailer brand about $8000. You see the quality difference tho in the pics. Appears to built for continous OTR use.

Not saying the LH trailer wouldn't do for 6 trips a year for the next 20yrs but it might not hold up as well in OTR useage. Pics wasn't enough detail to determine that.

Remember that trailers for rolling load weight are built different than trailers for cargo weight. Most trailers for rolling load weight use "I" beams for there main support.

Your truck will have no problem handling a GN trailer with this load weight provided you don't push it hard,: Slow to get to travel speed and 60mph tops.

T_Bone

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Don L C

03-16-2005 15:15:42




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
Bill --- I found you a trailer!!! Just what you say you are looking for and in a couple years will bring more than you will have in it.....Go to PHOTO ADS --- Ad #97247 -- type in this # and hit search....let me know what happens..... too far away for me or I'd have it..... won't last long..... .Don



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farmerboybill

03-16-2005 15:58:30




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to Don L C, 03-16-2005 15:15:42  
You ain't a kiddin'! I think he forgot a 0. I'd be there with an already written check if it weren't a couple thousand miles away. The one I'm looking at now is 16 foot with a 3 foot beavertail and spring assist ramps for 5100 bucks.



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sammy the RED

03-16-2005 08:38:04




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 Not Off Topic in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
Why do you say this is off topic when you are going to haul your tractor ?



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safety

03-16-2005 08:30:31




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
If your going to run over capacity, let us know so we can stay out of your way!



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buickanddeere

03-16-2005 08:01:39




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
Deckover 8-1/2'wide is legal here and have stake pockets for a rack should the need arrise. Dual 7000lb or heavier axles with electric brakes on both and a variable controller in the truck. Build heavy, you can always license heavier later. And use the capacity if hauling behind your field tractor. Hydraulic surge brakes are pretty good too. Gives you flexability should this trailer be used on a tractor as well. The class IV ball or the pintle hitch will allow tractor use. Some of these deckovers have the hydraulic dump such as Northern Tool sells.Handy for loading and unloading anything.

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farmerboybill

03-16-2005 05:29:44




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
Cowman, I actually sold a plate out of the back of my truck when I bought it. First because I don't think my '94 F250 351 automatic can take it and second to to take away the temptation. When I trade up in the next 2 or three years, it will be a truck capable of pulling a gooseneck.

Tyler and Jerry, I did consider the higher center of gravity but didn't think about the steeper angle and wet tires. What sort of ramp are you talking? Is it angle iron construction or does it have expanded steel welded on top of it? I'n order to prevent slide-offs, could I put a heavy-duty angle-iron frame into the stake pockets?

My biggest problem is that you can't get a deck wide enough if you don't go deckover. My 60 is set up for four row cultivators and the rear wheels are 8 feet to the outer edges. I've never tried to adjust them and think they're pry pretty froze.

I'll hafta look into the hub size on the trailer. It'd suck big time if I bought it for convenience of spare tires and they turned out to be GM.

Thanks

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Tyler from UT

03-16-2005 18:58:14




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-16-2005 05:29:44  
My ramps for my trailer are just angel iron and knock on wood have not had any problems with loading them wet, the ramps hook on the trailer by a 1" round bar and the ramps themselfs have a hook that sits on it and it dont go anywhere. If you want i can send a picture of the setup i got, to give you a better picture of what im talking about. The expanded metal over the top I dont think is a very good idea, my grandfather has a trailer thats really pretty little just long enough for two 4-wheelers. His ramp is one solid piece and it has the expanded metal on it and even the four wheelers have trouble loading when wet or snowy! Now cant remember who talked about a beaver tail deck over, but i think thats a waste of space you cant haul anything on a slant or i dont think its smart and chaining it down yes holds it but know dont increase the safty of what your hauling. Something you can think about is making the ramps longer so your not driving up such a big incline but the longer they get the heavier they get. Hope this helps - Tyler

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Mike M

03-16-2005 11:53:29




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-16-2005 05:29:44  
That's enough truck to handle it. I do with my 1996 Dodge 2500 and 360 gas. GO WITH A GOOSENECK ! Get a good quailty deck over they are using torque flex axles now and they aren't as high as mine is with springs,also go with a 5 foot bevertail so as it is not too steep. How is stuff going to slide off ? Chain it down.



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Tyler from Utah

03-17-2005 09:09:21




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to Mike M, 03-16-2005 11:53:29  
I'm not saying thats not enough truck but trans. might not take it depends on how it has been taken care of. Im not saying not to go with a gooseneck they are less of a pain to back and follow good but they are also about twice what a good bumper pull cost's. Ok you say chain it down! Yes but hear it sits on a slant and when you have it on the flat part of the bed say the chain busts or the point you have it chaind to bust's at least if you have it on the flat part you can get to the side of the road to fix it. Now maybe thier's beavertail's that aren't as steep as the ones that I have been around but chaining something right on the back and on a slant is asking for problems. Just my opinion!!

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Nebraska Cowman

03-16-2005 03:49:17




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
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not hard to make a gooseneck hitch. Here's the plate in my old Ford that I'm tryin' to sell. I just welded an old ball to a piece of half inch plate and bolted it in. Didn't cost me a dime.



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Tyler from UT

03-15-2005 21:00:41




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to farmerboybill, 03-15-2005 19:23:54  
Last summer we bought a flat bed trailer and we ended up with a 16x8 it has the wheel wells and it is a five bolt wheel it has 3500 pound Dexter axels and we have yet too load it heavy enough to make it sag in the springs we put two ton of hay on it and still pulled like a champ! I work for Big O tires and i can see the direction your going in buying an eight bolt wheel the only bad thing is most use a GM hub and they are still useing the bolt pattern of the older 3/4 ton GM models. The only thing i hate about the deck overs, is your load is higher, and your center of gravity is just that much higher. Not to mention if you go threw the tractor photos you can find a couple of tractors have slid off the ramps on the deck overs thats why we went with the other kind of trailer. They are much more affordable. One good thing about tandam axel trailers you center most of your load over the axles and you have a trailer brake the only thing you need to worry about is power! Hope this helps the trailer we bought was a Big Tex which was named the trailer manufature of the year! So far we really like are"s its heavy duty and affordable. Once again hope it this helps. - Tyler

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Jerry Cent. Mi.

03-16-2005 04:48:34




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 Re: OT - What type of trailer? in reply to Tyler from UT, 03-15-2005 21:00:41  
I find that a lot of times if I load with wet tires even the low trailers make the tires spin on the ramps. I've seen guys with the high trailer not be able to load a tractor safely.



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