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Nebraska Cowman

03-22-2005 09:23:27




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And I have heard people swear that running water won't feeze, they have never seen Niagra Falls in the winter time.




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buickanddeere

03-22-2005 16:54:42




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-22-2005 09:23:27  
We have a frazil ice ice problem where flowing water is kept in motion but drops to 30F or 31F. This "slushy" water will plug cooling inlet channels, trash screen or turbine intake runner intakes. It's almost like concrete kept in motion as it sets.



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Stickler

03-23-2005 09:44:52




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to buickanddeere, 03-22-2005 16:54:42  
Somebody else that's been around hydro dams I see! I'm at work, operating one today. This one doesn't get frazil ice, we're between two huge lakes, so we don't get the fast flow necessary. Some of the ones I used to run though, it was a HUGE problem! Used to have to do load rejections to try to knock it off the trash racks.



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buickanddeere

03-23-2005 11:03:37




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Stickler, 03-23-2005 09:44:52  
I seen 4 x 540 MW go down a couple of times. Once was an ice jam in the cooling water intake channel. The other was an alge run that bunged the "new and improved traveling screens". That flow was reduced to the dual condensor cooling pumps per unit. Shutting down one CCW pump per unit helped for a while at a modest reduction of MW output due to low condensor vacuum. Then the undersized motors on the traveling screens began to burn out from continious use. We call it tripping a unit, others say scram. Some d*mb *ss decided to save a few bucks per barscreen (24 in total) with intermitant sized drives. Turns out we lost $700,000 per unit per day for three days. They have spent a fortune fooling around with a combination silt dispersal system. And CCW outflow recirc into the CCW intake to melt frazil ice. Doesn't work and has cost more than a cooling tunnel out under the lake into cool clear water would have cost. Plus the cooler intake water in summer would boost output 5-10 MW per unit for "free".

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Bill(Wis)

03-22-2005 17:36:27




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to buickanddeere, 03-22-2005 16:54:42  
The perfect temperature to keep fish from going bad.



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Dug

03-22-2005 15:37:04




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-22-2005 09:23:27  
Why are you guys talking about freezing water? THIS IS A TRACTOR FORUM!!!

Snicker, snicker,

Dug



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Jerry/MT

03-22-2005 15:21:18




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-22-2005 09:23:27  
Here in Western Montana, the stock water running down the irrigation ditch freezes on top but keeps running below. The ice builds up from stagnant spots on the sides and continues forming across the ditch til it covers it.



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Bus Driver

03-22-2005 10:15:44




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-22-2005 09:23:27  
Running water will indeed freeze. The practice of letting a faucet run to prevent freezing works-if it does and it usually is successful- by constantly bringing in water that is warmer.



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brianh

03-22-2005 13:22:25




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Bus Driver, 03-22-2005 10:15:44  
The problem is it then ices up the drains.



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Nebraska Cowman

03-22-2005 09:39:23




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-22-2005 09:23:27  
Oh, I know that. There is always water running underneath. But only because the ice above keeps it insulated from the air.



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bo

03-22-2005 09:33:14




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-22-2005 09:23:27  
Nah..that doesn't happen..if it did, all the water in the Great Lakes would back up and flood the heck out of everything. The Falls do get ice coated but they never freeze...there will be an ice bridge most years but all that is is the lake ice flowing down the river over the falls and jamming up in the bottom pool..

How do I know...I live 4 miles up river from the Falls.



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rustyj14@yahoo.com

03-22-2005 09:31:35




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 Re: another freezing myth in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 03-22-2005 09:23:27  
I thought it was the water spray that froze, not the water going over the falls! Rustyj



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