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polk crawler

04-20-2005 07:08:47




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What is the basic difference between an ordinary 12V battery and one identified as deep cycle?

Bought a used travel trailer yesterday with one on it. Thanks PC




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Polk Crawler

04-21-2005 07:42:06




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to polk crawler, 04-20-2005 07:08:47  
Thanks to all for info. Travel trailer is now in a park,used for housing..no plan to ever go back on the road, connected to park 110V elec supply.
On the battery the word MARINE so assume it is best used for trolling...and I don't fish. Can this batt be used in a tractor or do I have a "dead horse" on my hands, so to speak?
( Sun is finally shining in my part of Oregon)

PC



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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

04-21-2005 10:15:50




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to Polk Crawler, 04-21-2005 07:42:06  
If it is still good it won't hurt to put it in a tractor. If it won't take a charge take it to a battery shop that can de sulfate it with a special charge setup. After that it may come back or you'll have a "stone"



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buickanddeere

04-20-2005 19:47:48




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to polk crawler, 04-20-2005 07:08:47  
Flooded cell deep cycle batteries vs flooded cell cranking batteries. Have an many or more lbs of lead and acid than an equal sized cranking battery. The plates are fewer and thicker. The plate surface is smooth rather than a "sponge" surface with more lead to acid contact area. The lead maynot be pure soft lead but alloyed with calcuim etc. Flooded cell lead/acid batteries will be gradually replaced with AGM lead/acid batteries.

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kyhayman

04-20-2005 07:34:58




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to polk crawler, 04-20-2005 07:08:47  
Deep cycle, made for long slow drains of current and infrequent recharge. Ordinary made for short bursts of high current with frequent recharge.



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T_Bone

04-20-2005 16:50:18




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to kyhayman, 04-20-2005 07:34:58  
Hi PC,

A single deep cycle battery is not much use on a RV. Will last about 36hrs without recharge depending how much the furnace is used.

At the least use two 12v deep cycle (typicaly 105amp/hr each) and should be a matched pair, both in amp/hrs, brand, and age. If a new battery is added to a old battery, the battery's will draw different amounts of current from each battery, thus the weaker battery will ruin the new battery with-in a short time.

6v Trojan T-105 (205amp/hr each) golf cart batterys make the best RV battery's, about $70eh. They have the best recharge life cycle time and lower cycle current draw of any of the deep cycle battery's. They will last about 4 days without recharge with heavy furnace use.

Now add a solar PV pannel and you never have to listen to a generator and enjoy the piece and quite.

T_Bone

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jdemaris

04-21-2005 06:01:23




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to T_Bone, 04-20-2005 16:50:18  
I don't understand why two 6 volt 205 AH Trojan batteries would out-perform two 12 volt 105 AH batteries. In the former case, two 6 volt batteries in series have an output of 12 volts and 205 AH. The two 12 volt batteries in parallel also provide 12 volts but provide 105 AH X 2 = 210 AH. 210 exceeds 205. So, unless the ratings are untrue, these are almost equal situations. Quality may be a different story. The two 12 volt batteries with a total AH output of 210 are supposed to run a 6 amp load for 35 hours. I can't say I've tried it, but I have two RVs. One has an LP furnace with electric ignition and draws a total of 6 amps at 12 volts when running. I have another that draws 4 amps at 12 volts. One case in point. One camper sits on some property I have in the Adirondacks. We have used it, so far, four days at time. Has a 6 amp draw furnace, 5 amp draw waterpump, and a few 12 volt lights. We've use a single 12 volt deepcycle battery from Walmart - cost $55 with a 115 AH rating. It's always lasted the four days without going dead. Doing the math, it should be good for 10.4 hours of continuous use of the waterpump and furnace, which comes to 2.6 hours a day and 6 minutes per hour. This is not in winter use, so the furnace does not come on much. I've been researching batteries a bit since I will be installing some photoelectric panels soon in a remote cabin. From most of what I've read - from solar equipment dealers and actual users, the best buy - i.e. dollars per AH, is still a lead-acid battery from a place like Walmart. The Trojans are popular, but not sure if they save anything in the long run. I just bought two batteries yesterday from Walmart. Each is 12 volt, 115 amphours, and 600 CCA at $55 each. On the subject of quality and/or longevity - I don't know. I had been buying Nautilus (spelled wrong?) and Exide which may be made by the same company. They were all crap. They'd go bad in less than two years regardless of use. So, three years ago I started buying the Walmart batteries - I have no idea who makes them. So far, no failures.

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T_Bone

04-21-2005 17:26:48




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to jdemaris, 04-21-2005 06:01:23  
Hi JD,

The T-105's have a deeper cycle life, they can be discharged at a 50% rate, where the 12v deep cycle should only be discharged to 75% before recharging, thus yield more total AH draw.

I boondock camp 6mth at a time and I don't get but two years out of the Wal-Mart battery's, the yellow cased Champion? brand, so your having better luck than I did.

I use the Unisolar US-64, a 64w PV that I'm relly happy with as it's unbreakable and since I use my PV's on the ground that has paid for it's self.

I noticed last year the best bang for the buck was the 70w PV's.

Do not use Wind-Sun or Northern Windsun, Flagstaff, Az or what ever name they go by as I had problems three out of three orders, raising prices on my CC than what was quoted.

T_Bone

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jdemaris

04-21-2005 20:16:29




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to T_Bone, 04-21-2005 17:26:48  
Walmart's largest Deepcycle battery is yellow cased as you mention, but I've never tried one. They have a slightly smaller black cased battery, I've had two of them and so far, so good. I'm new with the solar panels, so I only know what I've read. I just bought two Kyocera panels, 120 watts each and $490 each. From what I've seen so far, it seems like a good deal. Bought them from Reliagen - Solatron in CA. at: Link I've building a cabin in the Adirondacks this summer and have no grid electricity. So, I've got lots of cordless and gas tools, deep cycle batteries, the solar panels, and - if all else fails - a 5000 watt gasoline generator.

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T_Bone

04-22-2005 00:00:32




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to jdemaris, 04-21-2005 20:16:29  
Hi JD,

That's a fair price on the PV's. I've used Perfect Power a couple times and he gives good service and his prices are good. He's a one man shop and pretty knowledgeable of PV.

As long as you stay with 12v appliances as much as you can, you will get by just great. I manualy track the sun, move once at 1pm facing west and again at dusk facing east, and don't have a problem keeping up with my usage, about 30/40AH per day.

Inverters is whats sucks down the battery's, really quick. You might want to consider installing timer demand controls on your refrigerator if your going with a conventional refer. This would allow for the deforst cycle only during daylite hours and shorten night time running hours.

A house will get abused alot more than a RV will (amp usage) so I personaly would not consider any less than 6-T-105's. This would allow for cloudy days. My PV's put out about 1/2 of rated AH's on cloudy days with sun tracking.

Have you considered solar water heating? Not hard to make your own system, about $500 for parts if you make your own storage tank. This could take care of general HW use, bathing and clothes drying.

T_Bone

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jdemaris

04-22-2005 05:30:11




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to T_Bone, 04-22-2005 00:00:32  
Yeah, I've been thinking about solar heating. For now, we have a small LP heater in the camper. I'm also looking into getting - or converting an LP clothes dryer to work/spin on 12 volts. We drilled a 200' water well and was originally thinking of a solar submersed pump, but it was artesian when we first drilled it. Thought is would stop overflowing, but it's been a year and still running out the top. So, we now have a well-fed creek all the local deer come to. I put a $20 Harbor-Freight Chinese-built hand water pump on it which works fine. It won't if the water-head drops, though. I might put in a high water storage tank and fill it occasionally with a gasoline pump, and then let it gravity feed to us. Then, we'd only use the hand pump for cold drinking water. We have two LP refrigerators and I've been thinking of coverting them to kerosene. But, the way things are going with oil prices, LP might be just as cheap.

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T_Bone

04-22-2005 13:34:22




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to jdemaris, 04-22-2005 05:30:11  
Hi JD,

You might want to look at the link below of my quick write up of solar water heating system.

You can also use a RV pump, 12v Shurflo 3.5gpm@45psi, about $65, with a standard bladder tank for a household water system. More than enough water to take a shower, wash cloths, etc: if you don't turn on more than one faucte at a time or add two pumps to doubble the volume as then you don't care if two fauctes are open at the same time. These pumps will last a very long time, several years. I would use a float valve into a small storage tank then pressure pump the house from there. Max 25ft lift and can run dry without hurting the pump.

If you wash cloths during day light hours then consider using a inverter for the washing machine and dryer or genset use. 12v conversion is costly.

I like talking solar so I left my e-mail uncovered if you want to talk.

T_Bone

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Farmer in the Dells (WI)

04-20-2005 19:04:59




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 Re: OT 12V deep cycle batt in reply to T_Bone, 04-20-2005 16:50:18  
PC, T Bone is right on but I would add...there are two types of deep cycles. Trolling and Starting. Both have heavier lead plates than a normal car/truck battery and have longer amp hours. If you are going to run lights or other electronics when you set up the matched pair, you might want to stay trolling style. Most companies brand the batteries with a date code. Stores like Wal Mart usually rotate the stock out in less than one year so it is likely they are fresh from the supplier. My battery man also tells me to charge the battery last thing before storing for the winter. Do not test or initiate the discharge. They all discharge naturally but once you start the discharge by testing or using it, the rate of discharge is increased. He has me charge them at least twice over the winter storage. I have had one going for 6 years and more using his suggestions.

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