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George in Bilox

04-25-2005 10:59:03




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I have been thinking about adding a pintle hitch and a 2" reciever to the back of a semi tractor. Has anyone done this before? I want to do this to be versatile to pull about any trailer. I could use my small bumper pull with the semi for smallish loads in tight spaces. Any comments that I am a genius or an idiot are appreciated. (This is an antique mack and not used commerically). I would use the semi with a bumper pull and not my pick up truck on occassion, really just to give the Mack some usage rather than sitting around.

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T_Bone

04-26-2005 02:35:29




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 10:59:03  
Hi George,

About the only thing I can add, is I would consider using a 2-1/2" or 3" receiver tube with a 1" or 1-1/4" pin.

I use 2-1/2" custom built receiver with a 3/4" pin and I noticed with my tri-axle flatbed pintel, my pin shows some offset wear after about a years use, maybe 2k miles total OTR use. That's about as close to pin shear as I want to come. I'll be changing to a 1" pin shortly and I use tractor top link pins as they have a nice hole for a pad lock.

I used a 40ton pintel hitch off a semi trailer along with a solid 2-1/2" steel draw bar then made 20" of total adjustment in the ball mount plate, 10" up/down, with a 1/2" x 2" plate gusset. I then use two 5/8" grade 5 bolts to attach either the ball mount head or the pintel head.

When I change the pin too 1", I'll also add 1/4" thick flat washers to either side of the pin hole. This will give me 1/2" total thickness on either side for the receiver pin bearing point. My 3/4" pin wear could be coming from to thinn of bearing point sidewall and not from being overloaded (pin size overload).

T_Bone

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George in Biloxi

04-26-2005 06:29:11




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to T_Bone, 04-26-2005 02:35:29  
Thanks, you sure know some sh*t. I really appreciate the info. I am kinda loosing you on the second and third paragraph. Could you go into a bit more detail or explain a different way. I can be pretty thick at times. Do you have any pictures of the set-up?

Thanks for the info,
George



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T_Bone

04-27-2005 12:13:11




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-26-2005 06:29:11  
Hi George,

I made a drawing that may help explain what I was thinking.

T_Bone



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George in Biloxi

04-27-2005 17:41:42




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to T_Bone, 04-27-2005 12:13:11  
Perfect, if you do not mind me borrowing, this is the basic design I will start from.

Thanks,
George



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T_Bone

04-28-2005 05:46:16




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-27-2005 17:41:42  
Hi George,

Nope feel free.

I would not go less than 30º on the 1/2" x 2" gusset and can end between the two top holes.

The plate for the adjustment head as well as the ball/pintel mount was made from 3/4" plate as thats what I had on hand. I would not go less than 5/8" plate tho.

Use inside pipe spacers or make the ball/pintel mount first when welding the verticle adjustment plates on as this keeps the distance spaced even as the side plates will draw tight/open when welded. I just bolted the head in place before welding. The drawing shows a space between the ball/pintel mount and the adjustment plate when in reality this is a close fit only allowing for clearance for the welds.

You will also want a tight inside fit where the ball/pintel mount plate fits into the back of the adjustment plate. This is for if one of the 5/8" mounting bolts shear the ball/pintel plate would bind inside against the verticel mount plate.

I also use 5/8" holes with 5/8" bolts. I didn't want any slop here. The same apply's to the receiver pin, 1" hole and a 1" pin.

Use 1/4" x 3/4" flatbar to wrap the end of the receiver tube. This supports the tube end during side stress.

You want the draw bar to extend into the receiver atleast 2" past the pin hole. This is for draw bar bind between the top and bottom with-in the receiver tube. Again a tight fit. I have to keep the rust off the draw bar surface so it will slip in easy. This keeps the hiching quite while traveling.

I tend to use/abuse my hitching so I don't want any failures. This is also my winch point if needed.

My actual hitching extends 18" out from my bumper as I had a automatic boatloader on my pick-up that I had to clear with my 8kGVW travel trailer. My hitching never moves.

T_Bone

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Don L C

04-25-2005 18:56:54




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 10:59:03  
I have never done it but I think it is a great idea....post pictures whhen you are finished..... ..... .don



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Tracy Brown

04-25-2005 14:50:05




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 10:59:03  
I work for Miss State University and in my dept, we run a Volvo twin screw. I have the normal sliding 5th wheel, gooseneck ball behind that, pintle hitch, and a receiver hitch a bumper height. I haven't backed up to a trailer yet that I can't pull. I seldom use the other hitches but I like the capability that it gives us. Go for it.



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George in Biloxi

04-25-2005 14:54:39




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to Tracy Brown, 04-25-2005 14:50:05  
I was hoping to use a 5th wheel converter for goosenecks. I was wondering if they work on semis or just the small pickup truck type 5th wheels. Sounds nice. Any possibility you could post a pic?



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Rod F.

04-25-2005 19:07:43




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 14:54:39  
I don't see why a jeep wouldn't work for you. As long as the height's are right, and the hitch matches. I've been thinking of using one to pull a van trailer. Just want to use the vans for storage, and then drag them to where they need to be. I'm currently building a straight truck out of an eagle, and installing a trailer plate and pintle the same as you are doing. Make sure you build the plate into the frame, and weld it good and stiff. Then put at least a 6" forward brace from the bottom of the plate up to the frame. Those plates can bend in a hard stop if they aren't braced.
So is the old truck on camels or Hendrickson? Hope she isn't too rough. Those old Mack's on camels were one tough truck. Good luck.

Rod

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George in Biloxi

04-26-2005 06:38:35




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to Rod F., 04-25-2005 19:07:43  
Thanks for the info, I will probably have this feller around here do a custom hitch. That is what they do for a living and I get worried about building stuff like that. If I can not prove my knowledge and experience in designing that kind of stuff and something happens, heck, even if I could, the trial lawyers love this crap. I do not know a whole lot about the Macks (yet), I just loved em from as far as I can remember, along with heavy equipment and tractors. What is a camel or Hendrickson configuration?

Thanks again,
George

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Rod F.

04-28-2005 09:47:56




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-26-2005 06:38:35  
Definitely hire out the hitch if you're not confident about doing it yourself. Like you said, it's not something you want breaking. Too big a risk. Re: Camels. I was refering to the rear suspension. Many Mack's in my area were set up with the Mack Camelback suspension. It has a rather distinctive shape. The springs are mounted in a parabolic arch (upside down from a normal spring.), and essentially form the shape of a camel's hump. (I assumed you had a tandem.) Hendrickson is the brand name of one of the most common spring ride walking beam suspensions on the market. It was probably the predominant installation until air ride took over from springs on most highway tractors about 25 years ago. However, in many cases, a lot of trucks that were used in heavy vocational applications suck as dump and mixer trucks were spec'd with Camelback's. In my area, Mack was, and still is the predominant mixer truck, and they still run on Camelback's. They're just plain tough, and some say rough as heck without a load. If you have a single axle, then you might have just about any old spring. I'm not sure what they used on the old trucks like yours. Anyway, have fun with the old truck.

Rod

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George in Biloxi

04-28-2005 10:13:09




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to Rod F., 04-28-2005 09:47:56  
It is tandems but only single screw with a tag. I will check it out when it arrives. It is the truck from oldmacks.com. Ad number 257. (1963 B61T 44414). Tell me what y'all think and do not worry about hurting my feelings. I got it for a little better price than this.

Again, thanks for your time,
George



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Rod F.

04-28-2005 20:06:29




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-28-2005 10:13:09  
I think you did pretty good. There's at least a 5000 paint job there to begin with. If there was any amount of other restoration done, you got a good deal. Mind you, if you were going to go out and work the truck, I'd say you're nuts..... But for going to shows, tooling around etc, it's a nice old truck. Now, if it was me, I'd have looked at the cruise liner just below it in ad # 254. She was quite a truck in her day. Big power, 15 speed, Neway air ride, plus I have a certain affection for cabovers. First truck I had was a '84 Freightliner cabover, 350 Cummins, 15 speed, 404 Eaton rears. It was about used up when I got it, but not a bad old truck. It had more character than most. That said, it's for sale to that special buyer..... Anyway, have fun with the old Mack.

Rod

P.S. If you look at ad # 245, zoom on the right photo, you can get a partial glimpse of the infamous Camelback.

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old

04-25-2005 13:41:59




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 10:59:03  
I had one of them set up on my Diamond-T the pintle hitch was set up over the top of the ball hitch, I used a unball set up so I could change out the size of the ball with little trouble.



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Josh H

04-25-2005 13:39:43




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 10:59:03  
Over the summer I saw two restored Mack semi's both pulling bumper hitch campers, so I'm sure your idea will work.



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Mike M

04-25-2005 11:20:45




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 10:59:03  
That sounds like a good idea to me. Does your little trailer have elect.brakes ? If so your also going to have to hook up some kind of controller.



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George in Biloxi

04-25-2005 14:49:54




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to Mike M, 04-25-2005 11:20:45  
Thanks for y'alls responses. I thought it would work out ok but ya never know. (until you here OTR drivers talking smack about your set up). It might look a little weird, but I think it will be good for the purpose. I have brakes and a controller. You can not beat trailer brakes! It saves a lot on the towing vehicles brakes too.



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waltMe

04-25-2005 17:28:32




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 14:49:54  
Hi george
what year& model of mack do u have? I am putting
together a 1960 B61 mack with 36" sleeper and
a flat bed body with G/N hitch and a 2"reciver
hitch to haul my pulling tractors. The one ton can"t handle the load. Macks#1 walt



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George in Biloxi

04-25-2005 18:12:15




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to waltMe, 04-25-2005 17:28:32  
I am looking at being the proud daddy of a 63' B61T with a END711, Ca with tag axle, frame professionally lengthened 10 speed. I love the look of them and have wanted one since being a little kid. Yes, I am sick in the head and the wife says I need medication.



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waltMe

04-26-2005 15:01:10




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to George in Biloxi, 04-25-2005 18:12:15  
George I thought that i had yhe only wife who conplaned
about my rebuild projects. I call it classic
fever. Walt



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George in Biloxi

04-26-2005 17:43:22




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 Re: OT More truck/trailer questions ( kinda long) in reply to waltMe, 04-26-2005 15:01:10  
It is just us two. Everyone else's wife lets them do anything..... .



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