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Haybine, Ocillating Reel?

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Allan in NE

06-03-2005 18:20:45




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Hey Guys,

I ran down the road a bit today and picked up an old John Deere grain drill.

While I was there, the fellow asked me if there was anything else I needed since he was selling off some of his old machinery. Told him, yeah, a mower conditioner.

Long story short, I think I've agreed to buy a 12 foot NH Haybine that appears to have a two-part reel that must oscillate back and forth laterally across the front of the machine? The reels set kind of on an angle to the machine.

He says it is a hay cutting monster, has all new guards, will throw in a second older machine for parts and also a third sickle.

Anybody know what I just bought? The crimper rolls seem to be about 8 to 10" in diameter and about 7 or 8 feet wide. The tongue position is mechanically set with a latch pin, and the whole outfit is 540 PTO driven.

Anyone?

Thanks,

Allan

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jimont

06-04-2005 12:16:11




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:20:45  
Allan , if I were you , I'd consult "steve from newholland" on this site to get his view about this machine. Over the years , I've learned to ask those who've had a lot of experience fixing a particular machine to show me the weak spots and areas of wear to watch out for. Absolutly nothing teaches better than experience. Since you've been away from farming for awhile, it's best to seek out the best info available.

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Jimmy King

06-04-2005 06:21:20




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:20:45  
Allan, I had 2 of them they are good haybines. The discharge width is the same as a 9 ft., that is the reason for the crazy reel. There should be a tongue on the right end slid into the main tube or axle. The machine trucks and you can transport it end ways for going down the road and narrow gates. Look around the woble box good make sure the bracket has not been wielded back on. This is the weak point on them. takes about 10 to 15 min to truck 4 rounds around a 20 acre field catches you upon time. 20 acre 1/4 by1/2 1/4 40 rounds with a 9ft. 30 with a 12ft.

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Allan in NE

06-04-2005 06:47:45




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Jimmy King, 06-04-2005 06:21:20  
Hi Jimmy,

Is the windrow width totally controlled by the width of that discharge chute out the back?

I've known this fellow all my life and stretchin' the truth just isn't in his nature.

He told me that if I pass this one up, I'd be missing the deal of my old life. He just raved about the old mower; I looked it over real close and can't see a thing wrong with it other than the faded paint.

Allan

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Jimmy King

06-04-2005 07:04:01




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-04-2005 06:47:45  
Allan, it has the baffle just like the 9 ft. With the baffle down the hay will lay down about 6 to 7 ft width with the baffle up about 3 ft. It works great with a 258 and 260 rake togather. left and right. A good alfalfa crop two windrows pulled togather works great for a 605 vemeer baler. My BIL bought mine and he windrows dry fescue for a 4ft CaseIH baler.



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Jimmy King

06-04-2005 07:07:03




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Jimmy King, 06-04-2005 07:04:01  
Allan, you don't want to watch the reel to long at a time, it always made me feel a little crazy.



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Nebraska Cowman

06-04-2005 04:51:35




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:20:45  
OH ya, That's one cane eatin sonofagun. Ya gonna grow some? Maybe you can come down and swath for me. my old Heston don't like the tall stuff.



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Allan in NE

06-04-2005 05:39:55




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Nebraska Cowman, 06-04-2005 04:51:35  
Mornin' Howard,

No, don't think so. I'm just still tryin' to get my ducks in a row here for the first darned hay season and it is all a bit overwhelming to say the least.

I'm finding little things that I used to just take for granted and do second nature, now I have to stop and think thru 'cause I'm 20 years out of the loop; just don't understand how some of this old equipment works. :>(

But, it's kinda fun takin' an old $200 piece of rustiy iron that is considered junk by today's standards and makin' it work again. :>)

Allan

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Allan in NE

06-04-2005 04:42:31




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:20:45  
Aw Ha, the lights just come on. Kinda like two opposing hay rakes throwin' towards the center, huh?

Thanks, I really appreciate the help.

Allan



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John51

06-04-2005 03:16:46




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 How reels work in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:20:45  
Nope, they don't oscillate. They turn like a rake and pull the hay toward the center and the rolls. Seems to work pretty good . The disadvantage is you can't lay out a full width swath.



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Allan in NE

06-03-2005 18:59:25




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:20:45  
Found the derned thing! Guess it is a model 495; see how the reels are set up to work back and forth alternately?

Owner says it'll make ya dizzy to watch it, but boy does it ever cut hay.

Allan

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Brokenwrench

06-04-2005 06:37:38




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:59:25  
Great find, ran a 499 for years. The only down side with them, is til you get used to them, watching the reel tends to want to cross your eyes:) I agree with what was said about the bolt on sections, saves alot of hassle. Also check prices on a sickle bar vs replacing alot of worn sections on the old ones. It may suprise you that the whole new bar could be cheeper. Another thing to check is, unbolt the sickle bar on the machine and slide it out. If it slides in and out freely chances are you got a good machine. Up here in the gopher state, we have alot of them, and machines that have been used hard and put away wet often are bent up along the bottom edge of the platform. This causes drag on the sickle bar and raises heck with the gearbox. Good Luck Brokenwrench

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Allan in NE

06-04-2005 07:04:44




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Brokenwrench, 06-04-2005 06:37:38  
Yep,

That is exactly what he said; if you watch that reel, it'll make ya sea sick.

He is throwin' in a second old mower to use as a parts machine and also a third brand new sickle.

His wife wants 'em outta the yard and they are cleanin' house around their neck of the woods.

Thanks,

Allan



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Brokenwrench

06-04-2005 09:01:47




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-04-2005 07:04:44  
Hey Allen,
From the looks of the machinery in the background, he must have "upscaled" a bit. I love finding places like that, cause whats obsolete to them is good stuff to me. Don't know what he is asking for the haybine, but awhile back I was nosing around for a different one, and the cheapest I could find on a lot was $2500 for one that looked like it got drug thru a minefield. Have a great weekend Brokenwrench

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caseyc

06-03-2005 19:05:20




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:59:25  
that's how the 499's are too but they are a hydroswing. cool beans! have fun. gotta get back to work on my sprayer, weeds are growing cause i can't afford RR!

casey



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Sloroll

06-03-2005 19:16:30




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to caseyc, 06-03-2005 19:05:20  
Nature is just as busy puttin the genetics in gear figgurin out Round-up Ready weeds. Don't throw your cultivators away yet. She found her way around penecillen and the more high powered cures. She'll match wits with us on weeds too. Don't forget how to use that spray rig Casey.



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caseyc

06-03-2005 18:27:34




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:20:45  
is it a hydro swing? if it is it sounds like a 499. if that's what it is you are one lucky dog!!!! i'd give my left you know what for one, well we'll have to see if it is first! give me a pic!

casey



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Allan in NE

06-03-2005 18:40:33




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to caseyc, 06-03-2005 18:27:34  
No, not a hydroswing.

The thing pivots manually/mechanically by the tongue latching in a series of holes across an arced base. Just like a corn chopper tongue would adjust in and out to the crop.

The hydraulic lift cylinder sets way far back behind this "pivoting" affair and takes two sets of hoses to reach up to the tractor. Can be swung right behind the tractor to tow down the road. He says there is absolutely nothing wrong with it and he used it last year.

The rubber rolls and all the chains, etc. seem to be in excellant shape as do the tires and the wobble box.

He says it is the best mower he has ever owned and the only thing he didn't like about it was that it was a tractor sytle and he got tired of looking over his shoulder all the time. So, he bought a self-compelled model.

The sideways ocillating reel has me puzzled.

Allan

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Iowa Jim

06-03-2005 20:44:32




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:40:33  
Allan:

The reel doesn't move side to side, the offset is designed to push the cut hay into the rolls as they are narrower than the cutterbar. The spin just like a normal reel

Jim



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caseyc

06-03-2005 18:43:35




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:40:33  
it's not like a 479 or 489? something along those lines?



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Allan in NE

06-03-2005 18:42:38




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:40:33  
The tongue doesn't run 'over the top'. It is located to the side and about the same height of the tractor drawbar with the PTO shaft running above it to the back left side of the windrower.

Allan



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Harley

06-03-2005 21:35:16




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Allan in NE, 06-03-2005 18:42:38  
Got one about like it big guy, and they work fine. I found the new little bitty bolts for the mower sections instead of the old style rivets so ifn you knock one out, you can put a new section in in about a minute instead of pulling the whole cutter bar out and re-riveting one in. Works pretty good. Harley



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JMS/MN

06-04-2005 10:03:56




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 Re: Haybine, Ocillating Reel? in reply to Harley, 06-03-2005 21:35:16  
Harley- no need to pull the entire sickle out to rivet a new section in. Two options- buy the rivet remover/installer tool, cost $30 in the 70s, now maybe $60?. By moving the sickle left and right you can get in with that tool to remove the old rivet and install the new, with a 3/4 inch wrench. Option 2- might need to remove a guard to gain enough space, but you can lower the header down to a hydraulic jack that you use as an anvil to hammer in the new rivet. Or make a 'T' stand with 3/4 inch round stock with a dimple drilled in the top to match the rivet head. Taper the top of the shaft to fit between guards.

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