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OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all still

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NC Wayne

07-07-2005 22:45:49




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I just read the post on the lawn darts, and it got me thinking. I'm always seeing articles, news stories, posts on here and elsewhere, basically just stuff all over the place where someone has gotten injured or killed because this or that product or machine is "Unsafe". Many of you are older than me so you've probably seen and used more "unsafe products than I have in your lifetime. Based on what I've seen and done in mine all I can say is THANK GOD I'M STILL ALIVE. I played lawn darts, played on merry go rounds, road on tractors with my dad and and grandpa when I was little, road my bike without a helmet (and not always with my hands on the handlebars either), jumped makeshift ramps in the back yard, still ride a three wheeler, went into the woods as a teenager, alone, hunting with a .22 rifle or a shotgun, drank out of a creek without a filter, road in the back of a pickup, road in the back of the family station wagon with my feet hanging out the window, drove/ still drive a vehicle with drum brakes on all 4 wheels, mowed in reverse, let go of the handle on a push mower..... and that's just to name a few things. True there are things in the world that are inherently dangerous, heck they say you can drown in a tablespoon of water, but no product, no matter what it is, actually becomes a real danger til it's used in an unsafe manner. I think we need to design a new bumper sticker..... .Products don't kill people, people kill themselves with products by being stupid ..... .True we all do things once in a while that aren't quite that bright, but there is a difference in say letting a push mower handle go setting on flat ground than there is in letting it go when it's on a hill and your downhill from it..... I know this post will probably draw comments both for and against the dumbness of the average person nowdays and that's fine. But to those of you that speek in their defense and don't believe many people are inherently stupid I say read the warning labels that show up nowdays on just about every product made. If there is a warning about something, no matter how stupid it sounds to you, you can be sure at some point in time some idiot tried what their warning against or the warning wouldn't be there..... ...Just my .02

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buickanddeere

07-10-2005 07:34:41




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
The 1960's and 1970's "do what feels good" with no concern of the price or consequence of ones actions was the start of our down fall. Instead of being responsible for yourself, it's somebody else's fault.Or it doesn't matter. Since the past couple of generations are lacking responsibility and common sense. It's paved the way for "pencil neck bureaucrat safety Nazi's" to make a living and enjoy power while looking for us dummies own good.

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NC Wayne

07-08-2005 16:02:48




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
I knew when I started writing this last night there would be many things I missed but ya'll really outdid yourselves naming some of the stuff I missed like climbing trees, getting spanked (with a hickory switch of my own choosing), etc. I'm only 37 and I grew up in the country, not on a farm, but working on machinery so I know there are alot more things even than we've all named here. Like the one post said, None of us from around 30 and up should even be alive, and the older you are the luckier you must have been.....It's good to know that there are still guys like us out there to bring up another generation that isn't as dumb as most of the others. The numbers are dwindling though and while I'm not "looking to go" anytime soon I hope I'm gone long before the idiot gene takes over completely.....

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tlak

07-08-2005 17:25:17




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-08-2005 16:02:48  
Looks like you white wash all this, that who ever got hurt was an idiot.
Some one mentioned climbing a tree. i have a nefew that fell out of a tree and one of the stickups at the bottom stuck through his gut. He's all right. Should he have been there? Was he stupid? I don't know. I don't call him stupid.
When I was a kid, I threw strike any where match boxes out the back door to watch them explode. How many stupid grandmothers are there for burning down their house?
The way our government works I figure there was a body count for everyone of those stickers on the ladder, etc.
Not every kid that played lawn darts got hurt, just too many.

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NC Wayne

07-09-2005 19:03:58




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to tlak, 07-08-2005 17:25:17  
I didn't mean to "white wash" anything. My point is that we all do stupid things from time to time. Be it using a product wrong/in an unsafe manner, climbing trees, etc. That's one thing about being human, none of us are perfect. My point, as some others have also pointed out is that the government wants to call a product "unsafe" and regulate it when in reality the product isn't the problem, it's the actions of the perso using it, and those can only be controlled so much. We've already lost so many freedons, if they take away our freedom to be stupid then we might as well all live in a padded room and be fed with a IV so we don't choke on all the unsafe foods out there like hot dogs, etc. As far as the products themselves go, to use a long standing saying on a particular product, "Guns don't kill people, people do". They want to regulate guns because their "unsafe" but I had an Uncle killed by being hit in the head from behind with a baseball bat... but I don't see any regulations on them for being a "deadly weapon". Maybe it's because the bat didn't do a dam- thing, it was the assh-le holding it.

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Is my own fault

07-09-2005 07:18:52




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to tlak, 07-08-2005 17:25:17  
But why regulate stupid, ignorance, and life. If common sense is so common why does so few use it? We all know if you throw something don't throw it at or toward someone. If I climb a tree I might just fall out. Don't put your hand near that moving fan blade. That is life. My moma taught me to look out and be safe and if I didn't then guess what... It's my fault



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tlak

07-08-2005 14:32:19




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
IWhich of all these lists of items and practices should we bring back?



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Bill(Wis)

07-08-2005 11:11:24




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
There has been a definite "dumbing down" in our once great country. I think it started with rock music. In fact, I know it did.



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THEkyroastnear

07-08-2005 11:01:15




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
i fully agree with most of the posts here .nobody wants to accept the consequences for anything. one thing i didnt see on a list was using waste oil on agravel road to keep down dust. my family lived in town on a gravel street my dad and other men on the block would have the street oiled every summer. try that now see what happens. never hurt us any. yes im going to mow in reverse-drive without a seat belt-burn my trash in a barrel and make my kids mind! the safety police will just have to get over it.

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onefarmer

07-08-2005 06:29:08




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
The following is a spam email I got but found it true enough to save.


If you’re over 30 you should be dead!!

People over 30 should be dead. Here's why. According to today's regulators and bureaucrats, those of us who were
kids in the 40's, 50's, 60's, or even maybe the early 70’s, probably shouldn't
have survived. Our baby cribs were covered with bright colored lead-based paint. We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets, .
and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets. (Not to mention the risks we took hitchhiking.) As children, we would ride in cars with no seatbelts or air bags. Riding in the back of a pickup truck on a warm day was always a special treat. We drank water from the garden hose and not from a bottle. Horrors! We ate cupcakes, bread and butter, and drank soda pop with sugar in it,
but we were never overweight because we were always outside playing. We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle, and no
one actually died from this. We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then rode
down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes.
After running into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem. We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as we were back when the street lights came on . No one was able to reach us all day. NO CELL PHONES!!!!! Unthinkable! We did not have Playstations, Nintendo 64, X-Boxes, no video games at
all, no 99 channels on cable, video tape movies, surround sound,
personal cell phones, personal computers, or Internet chat rooms . We had friends! We went outside and found them. We played dodge ball,
and sometimes, the ball would really hurt. We fell out of trees, got cut and broke bones and teeth , and there were
no lawsuits from these accidents. They were accidents. No one was to blame but us.
Remember accidents? We had fights and punched each other and got black and blue and
learned to get over it. We made up games with sticks and tennis balls and ate worms, and although we were told it would happen, we did not put out very many eyes, nor did the worms live inside us forever. We rode bikes or walked to a friend's home and knocked on the door, or
rang the bell or just walked in and talked to them. Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those who
didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Some students weren't as smart as others, so they failed a grade and
were held back to repeat the same grade. Horrors! Tests were not adjusted for any reason. Our actions were our own.
Consequences were expected. The idea of a parent bailing us out if we
broke a law was unheard of. They actually sided with the law. Imagine that! This generation has produced some of the best risk-takers, problem
solvers and inventors, ever. The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new ideas. We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned
how to deal with it all. And you're one of them! Congratulations! Please pass this on to others who have had the luck to grow up as kids,
before lawyers and government regulated our lives, for our own good !!!!!

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Delbert from Lincoln

07-08-2005 08:52:48




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to onefarmer, 07-08-2005 06:29:08  
In the posts about what you have lived thru, nobodly mentioned taking guns to school, or spankings. I went to a 1 room country school with 14 to 16 students, 1st thru 8th grade. In the winter the bigger kids often brought guns to school, and shot the families meat supply for the day, on the walk home from school. Oh thats another one, walking to and from school. The guns were put in the coat room, a small hall built onto the school house, and the owner kept the shells in his or her pocket. There was never a problem. Perhaps one reason there was never a problem, for most of the years I attended this school, the teacher kept a hitch rein in her desk drawer. For those of you who do not know what a hitch rein is, imagine a leather belt about 6 feet long and you got it. I remember one occasion where that teacher chased a ornery boy all over that school house and hit ever kid present except the one she was after. But we all lived. My father shaved with a straight razor and for spanking his weapon of choice was his razor strap. A razor strap is a leather strap about 2 inches wide and 18 or 20 inches long and was used to hone the straight razor to its final sharpness.

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Galen

07-08-2005 20:03:43




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 07-08-2005 08:52:48  
Yeah - I remember those days! I went to TWO one room country school houses! One is now a museum in Tecumseh. Most I had was one other student in my grade. Played Dodge Ball at recess. Had outhouses (have one now on my farm). Walked to school with the rifle. Took baths in the "Summer Kitchen" behind the wood stove (until we got running water when I was 6). Used a Pitch fork near other people. Swung from the "Tarzan Rope" we had in the barn. Rode on the back of the baler. Picked fruit from the loader bucket. Had snowball and "Hedge Apple" fights. Used to ride a sled off the barn roof down across a frozen manure pile and on into the cow lot. Heck - I may even have ran with scissors once or twice! AMAZING how I lived to be 43!

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onefarmer

07-08-2005 09:03:09




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Delbert from Lincoln, 07-08-2005 08:52:48  
And there is another one. Spankings. While I believe in them, I'm afraid to perform one as I may end up in jail doing 15yrs for abuse.

Wasn't that long ago my phys-ed teacher asked us to bring in guns for hunters safety classes and smowmobiles for its safety class.

No more of that. We have to live in a foam bubble for fear we might get hurt.



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Errin OH

07-08-2005 09:49:36




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to onefarmer, 07-08-2005 09:03:09  
No worrys, they only give you 6 months for the first offence. :^)

After they came and got me for wippin the oldest at school, and went through all the crap. My oldest looked at me and said "daddy you can't spank me" my reply was "you wan'na bet".....

Didn't have to do the 6, but did spend $2800 stayin out. Yea it was worth it. If for no other reason than they (kids) knew I meant business.



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onefarmer

07-08-2005 11:49:22




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Errin OH, 07-08-2005 09:49:36  
Someone I know got 6 months first offense and never got the kids back. This is in MI



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mrunion

07-08-2005 06:09:01




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
I agree. Even though proper SAFETY devices -- like guards, sheilds, stop switches, etc. are mostly good -- when Americans start handing over THEIR resposibility for taking care of THEMSELVES to the government/manufacturers, you have given up some of your freedoms.

I am all for making safe products. But for me to want to give up all self-concern, self-preservation, and self-respect and just say "well, if I get hurt it's someone elses fault," I am in serious trouble.

Everyone, take care of yourselves! Be safe. But let's keep responsibility where it is SUPPOSED to be!

Thanx,
Matt

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Nat

07-08-2005 04:50:02




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
Wayne, I'm just up I-85 from you and have to agree 100%. No-one will take responsibility for their own actions. If you do something stupid and get hurt it must be someone else's fault. I've worked for myself most of my life, but warked for Kimberly-Clark for a while. They had a rule that said all forklift operators must blow the horn before coming thru a doorway. Some didn't, so they changed the rule to say all operators must stop before going thru a doorway. I protested, I said if an operators fails to blow the horn, warn them once, fire them for the second offense. I will dare say the problem would stop after the second offense, but all the folks on the safety group were afraid they might break a rule themselves sometime and didn't want to take a chance on getting fired. The word "wrong" has been taken out of our language.

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Nebraska Cowman

07-08-2005 04:40:12




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
I just thank the Lord I weren't born no later than I wuz.



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3010 Ken

07-08-2005 04:19:45




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
Morning Wayne; I agree.For several years I was union steward at my job here and the company had and still has a safety program complete with a person called the director,and a staff of several other people scattered in offices from coast to coast who visit jobs we have going.We are as employees supposed to tell a guy if we see him doing anything unsafe and report it as a "near miss" even if an accident did'nt occur.Well one day I looked out of the shop door and saw one of the guys standing out at the fuel rack leaning against one of the bulk tanks,smoking a cigarette.Wishing for a camera,I yelled to him to get away from there while he was smoking.He did so.I asked him if he could'nt read all the NO SMOKING signs around those tanks,and he said,"nothings going to happen".I've done some dumb things myself in my time,and I know without a doubt that but for the Grace of GOD,I would'nt be here writing this post now. Kenny

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Midwest redneck

07-08-2005 02:20:17




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
I know what you mean. I didnt have a helmet when I rode a bike, I am now 36years old. Swimming without a lifejacket, I remember when I was about 4 years old and my mom used to hold my sister and I on her lap while my dad drove the car, that is pretty dumb. I remember having firecrackers and M-80's (stored in my desk at my parents house, when I was 14) I remember being able to buy freon in a can for $1.50, and being able to get Tricloethlene in a can and spray it on myself to remove oil, that was 15 years ago. He!! I remember when people used to throw waste oil in the grass, Now every tom-dick and larry would have you locked up in jail for that.

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Calif. Farmall

07-08-2005 01:29:45




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to NC Wayne, 07-07-2005 22:45:49  
Wow - you just recalled my 42yrs in perfect order!! You must have been watching from the side lines or maybe were just normall Americans. The
problem can be spelled simply, "no one wants to take responsability for thier own actions" period.
And when you add in that they really did something stupid or a lawyer heres about the what
happened and knows how to make a quick $$$$$$$$ we the consumers pay for it. Do you know that 75% of the cost of a new small airplane like a Cessna
is strickly for liability. They know up front that someone will crash and the company will get sued even if it was pilot error. My dad was a highly respected airplane mechanic instructor at the local collage and a FAA certified inspector on the side. He had to quit doing inspecting because 3 planes he certified crashed do to pilot error however he could not risk all he had worked for to a sharp lawyer and a dumb jury! America has created a monster in that if you don't sue first you may get sued and it must be delt with. I like caps on damages and caps on lawyer fees, if you take away the easy money the system will take a turn for the better. I now will get off the soap box and go to bed, and thank's for getting me going I'll never get to sleep!!!

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Sam#3

07-08-2005 06:15:17




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Calif. Farmall, 07-08-2005 01:29:45  
Several years ago a somewhat famous lawyer was making a speech. In his rambling he made a statement that went something like, "a country of the people, by the people and for the people." Male bovine excrement! I submit he said, "of the lawyers, by the lawyers and FOR the lawyers."
Then there's the amendment to the U.S. Constitution that begins, "Congress shall make no law . . .." Who says a missed period doesn't matter?

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Galen

07-08-2005 04:34:31




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Calif. Farmall, 07-08-2005 01:29:45  
Yup - I know what you mean! BIL and wife got run over by a Cadillac last year. Wife had an injured elbow. They sued the insurance company because of her "lost wages". Problem is - she stays at home all the time and HAS NO WAGES. They got $80,000. It's things like this that raise insurance rates for everyone.



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Midwest redneck

07-08-2005 02:24:47




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Calif. Farmall, 07-08-2005 01:29:45  
Speaking of lawyers, I was told (dont know if its true) that in Texas if you wanted to file a lawsuit a board of review had to sift through your claim and then make a recommendation to the board if it was to be heard by a judge and go to trial, just to cut down on the junk lawsuits like hot coffee spilled on your leg, people suing car companies for drunk driving and so on. America would be better place if the ambulance chasing lawyers would fall into the sea.

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Bill(Wis)

07-08-2005 04:52:24




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Midwest redneck , 07-08-2005 02:24:47  
Your lawyer is there to protect you from his colleagues.



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Vince H

07-08-2005 05:35:06




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Bill(Wis), 07-08-2005 04:52:24  
I am amazed at what extents people go to these days to prtoect themselves from everything. There is no reason the government should MAKE you wear a seat belt. If you don't wear one and go through the windsheild thats your fault. I remember going to the farmers market every weekend with my dad to get some meat. There are the dead, plucked chickens just hanging from a wooden rod. No ice, no cellofane, no FDA stamp, no preservatives and I am still alive AND I don't get sick often. They need to run an ad on TV everyday that says "WARNING, living may be hazardous to your health". I can not think of one thing I do everyday that does not have at least an outside risk of killing me. Granted it would be extremely rare for someone to drown or impale their brain while brushing their teeth, but it could happen if your not careful.

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Bill WI

07-08-2005 08:45:18




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Vince H, 07-08-2005 05:35:06  
It's like we've learned something from mistakes or experiences. I always made firewood with just a tassle cap on my head like my grandpa. I now have 1 real eye, a nose wired to the ribs that were moved to be my upper jaw and face and false teeth replacing the ones I swallowed and breathed in. After a month in a trauma center I now wear a hardhat when I fell trees. In the shop when I saw young cowboys (no offense to real cowhands) sliding oily 1/2 ton dies on oily diecarts with no respect and same goes for big flywheels I told them what can happen. Some won't listen and that's time to walk away. Twenty five years ago,I only saw the better part of one mans hand in a die after he removed a guard to make parts faster. The cops arrive first to check and OSHA comes in a day, for lawsuits. I'll just tell you the hand doesn't look like a hand at .050 clearance, I still remember. Workers didn't say "the poor guy", you just heard "that was dumb". The newer presses are pretty much "idiot proof" just for that reason. If you go through the windshield or your car rolls over you, you probably won't have another chance. When you're dead, rights won't change things. By the way I'm not the same Bill in Wisconsin.

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Ken Macfarlane

07-08-2005 09:22:10




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Bill WI , 07-08-2005 08:45:18  
I went to school as a mechanical engineer, and we are open to all kinds a law suits.

-lowest common denominator, ie you have to design for the dumbest possible person to use machinery now, you can't use the reasonable person type design approach.

-engineers are liable (here at least) to forever plus 5 years or something like that. You are liable until the failure is discovery plus 5 years.

-Liability is ruining so many things it is incredible. It surpresses many small businesses, they can't get insurance to do any thing so you have to risk it all to ahead.


Finally some limits have been applied in some areas, locally a man ran into a cow out on the road and sued the farmer. The court found the farmer made reasonable efforts to contain the cow so the man wasn't entitled to sue. It was treated like a deer or moose on the road.

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Davis In SC

07-08-2005 09:09:16




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 Re: OT sorta---Ain't it just amazing we're all st in reply to Bill WI , 07-08-2005 08:45:18  
Bill, I see the same thing... My shop is tied in with a Molding Facility, so I see what some young idiots do.. I often see a guy standing under a 2 ton mold that is hanging from a chainfall. When I tell them it is dangerous, they laugh & call me paranoid.



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