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Farmall H's: why no fenders?

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Rod in Smiths F

09-02-2005 16:04:18




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I was looking in the photo archives at 1944 Farmall H's as I saw an ad for one in a local paper. Why do none of them seem to have fenders? Is it safe to drive a tractor with the wheels and chains just spinning around there?




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John in Nebraska

09-03-2005 19:16:58




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
I spent 25 years driving four M Farmalls, none ever had fenders. Its just something you learn, hang onto the steering wheel, don't touch the tire. Never fell off, never turned over a tractor. Having used lots of tractors with chains and in mud, never did see any protection from fenders anyhow. However in Colorado, did find the advantage of tractor fenders, kept your body from being sandblasted by the wind whipped sand off the tire.

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Leroy

09-03-2005 19:15:46




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
I don't see how any one could say there is not enough room to get on and off with those fenders on, plenty of room unless you are 400#. Our 41 H had the fenders when bought in 49 and never taken off for any reason till we traded it off in 84. When we got one of the green ones without fenders that was one of the first things we don was get a set of fenders and did not have to take them off for cultivators, only time they came off was for the mounted picker

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Redmud

09-03-2005 09:47:57




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
I don't remember ever seeing an H or an M with fenders here in my part of Texas.



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Allan in NE

09-03-2005 03:02:23




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
Hi Rod,

These tractors were designed to work and as such, there is nowhere to mount a set of fenders as they would just be in the way.

Allan

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Paul in Mich

09-03-2005 07:13:49




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Allan in NE, 09-03-2005 03:02:23  
Allan, A picture is worth a thousand words. Many times we used our tractors or some of them at least in the same manner. A loader here, cultivators there, bean pullers, along with a multitude of other reasons for removing the fenders. While we tried to replace them when possible, it didnt always happen. Many states did not require rear fenders, but here in Michigan tractors were required to be sold with fenders for many years, even though they were a factory option. Other states were more lenient and many tractors were purchased without fenders. Some were even purchased without lights and starter as those were also considered options that were more of a luxury than a necessity.

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sammy the RED

09-02-2005 22:49:53




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
The REAL reason you see no fenders on those tractors today is because, most sellers take 'em off and sell 'em for $200.00 to the guys that want 'em on their tractor.



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wolfman

09-02-2005 18:19:42




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
Main reason for no fenders-ease of access. You could climb on or off an H from 4 corners. Used to cultivate corn or mow hay & literally slide down off & climb back onto the seat a hundred times a day. Quick easy on & off.



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Delbert

09-02-2005 18:13:11




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
The main reason for no fenders is that you had to remove to put a cornpicker or cultivator on the tractor. And beside that there wasn,t enough room to get on and off with them on there.



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RustyFarmall

09-02-2005 18:10:15




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
Fenders were an extra cost option, they did nothing for the function of the tractor, so most buyers did not get them. The second reason is that more often than not, the darn things just got in the way, made it difficult to get on and off the tractor, and they were so small that they really didn't afford much protection, so why put them on there in the first place?



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K-Mo

09-02-2005 17:36:06




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
I believe there are two primary reasons. First, if I recall correctly, fenders were optional "Special" equipment on the Farmall H. Second, once fenders were removed for some reason, they were set in the corner of the machine shed and left off.
K-Mo



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Joel Harman

09-02-2005 16:42:39




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
think about what those chains would do to fenders.



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Cynicism Runs Rampant

09-02-2005 16:36:18




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rod in Smiths Falls, ON, , 09-02-2005 16:04:18  
Only if you are stupid enough to stick your hands and feet in them.



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buickanddeere

09-02-2005 18:15:02




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Cynicism Runs Rampant, 09-02-2005 16:36:18  
Prepared or not. It only takes an unexpected bump while the operator is otherwise occupied. To slide into a wheel/chain. In a rollover. A fender over the tire may mean the difference of sliding over and away. Instead of riding around with the tire. Unless the fender is in the way of a mounted loader etc. There is no excuse for removing them. It does make for a cheaper and easier "restoration" if the fenders and pto shield are ignored.

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Don-Wi

09-02-2005 22:43:25




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to buickanddeere, 09-02-2005 18:15:02  
Not gonna argue w/ ya, but the fenders don't always save ya either. I was driving our Massey 165 down the road one winter w/ tire chains on(I think I was 10) I was only in 2nd gear, but the chain came loose on one side. The hook ended up grabbing the fender, ripping it off the tractor and throwing it into the side of my head. Luckily enough, all I got out of it was a heck of a goose egg and an @$$ chewing from my dad when I got home for going on that joy ride...
Donovan from Wisconsin

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buickanddeere

09-03-2005 03:15:57




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Don-Wi, 09-02-2005 22:43:25  
It's possible that end of the chain may have caught something else if the fender wasn't there.



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Don-Wi

09-03-2005 07:33:20




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to buickanddeere, 09-03-2005 03:15:57  
While this is true, it was the outside end and it was standing straight out due to the force of the rotation. Can't say I've ever seen a loose chain come towards the center or outside of the tractor, just straight out.

We ran the tractor for a few years w/out the one fender before we finally had the mounting bracket for it fixed. Never had the tire chains come after me, and I never put anything near the tire while I was driving.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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buickanddeere

09-03-2005 09:24:48




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Don-Wi, 09-03-2005 07:33:20  
At modest speeds of when slowing down the end will no longer be held out straight by centrifical force. I just don't understand how some people are content to sit for thousands of hours on a moving shaking machine. All the while,less than an arms reach away from something that is unstoppable and can maim or kill them in an instant? Standard Tread tractors are even better as the full platform offers even more protection from mud, dirt, water and the tires/shaft.

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Harley

09-02-2005 17:03:01




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Cynicism Runs Rampant, 09-02-2005 16:36:18  
Kinda like my old friend Akmed told me the other day about his favorite camel, Mojojujubeads,. Seems when he first got Mojojujubeads, the camel didn't want to drink enough water to get him anywhere. So Akmed's brother-in-law Hadji told Akmed to smash two bricks together with Mojojujubeads gonads between them and his nose in a water trough. Akmed asked Hadji, "Won't that hurt?" and Hadji said, "Only if you get your stupid thumbs between the bricks you simple son of a goat herder. Git-er-done, Harley

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Rustyj14

09-02-2005 17:00:46




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Cynicism Runs Rampant, 09-02-2005 16:36:18  
Those tractors were made before so many attorneys stuck their noses into the liability field! Folks back then knew the dangers of their machinery. Those that didn't, soon learned, as they watched an arm or hand, etc., disappear into the machine, at which point they blamed themselves, not the machinery! Now-a-days, everybody connected to the machine is to blame for the owners' stupid stunts! Or even any type of trouble with the machinery! Think how rich some farmers could have been if they had hired a smart attorney, when they got their arm broken by one of the old hand crank tractors! I guess thats progress, and also why things cost so much more today! Rustyj

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Ozark Dan

09-03-2005 04:06:59




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Rustyj14, 09-02-2005 17:00:46  
I'm a bit mystified as to why the lawyers get all the credit for the shape things are in. Seems to me the folks sitting in the jury box have the final say. That would be, ummmm, you and/or me. We spend big big dollars on education in this country, but we end up with people who aren't intelligent enough to employ good decision making technique when in the jury box or to "get out of Dodge" (New Orleans)when instructed to because of an impending danger. Then we whine about it because the lawyers "hoodwinked" us or our government let us down. I'm puzzeled.

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edchainsaw

09-05-2005 22:06:20




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 Re: Farmall H's: why no fenders? in reply to Ozark Dan, 09-03-2005 04:06:59  
again dan thats because LAWYERS pick the jury.. they pick WHO they want... ( cousins practice in Detroit) they do not want ANYONE that can think for themselves--- because they tend to UNDERSTAND SOME THINGS>.

as for that now.... the state of MICHIGAN in teh 1930's had a law that fenders have to be on farm tractors... hence the reason there are fenders at all.



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